Sunday, September 06, 2009

Quinton Tarantino's Inglourious Basterds ****



In Nazi-occupied France during World War II, a group of Jewish-American soldiers known as "The Basterds" are chosen specifically to spread fear throughout the Third Reich by scalping and brutally killing Nazis. The Basterds soon cross paths with a French-Jewish teenage girl who runs a movie theater in Paris which is targeted by the soldiers.

The above description of this movie, hardly will prepare you for what the movie presents. This is easily Quinton Tarantino's best movie. It has all of his trademarks; good music, dialog, violence, great casting, etc, without the self indulgences.

Again Tarantino shines with casting. Brad Pitt is like Charles Bronson reincarnated. The heel Christoph Waltz has an Oscar nomination coming. Melanie Lauent is another Cardinale.



Tarantino calls this movie a spaghetti western, against a WWII framework. Much of the movie's score is by Ennio Morricone.

The movie is divided into chapters. The first chapter Chapter 1: Once Upon A Time...In Nazi Occupied France, is an example of perfect filmaking, you'll ever see. The slow burn in action.

RENEGADE EYE

145 comments:

tony said...

I was in 2-Minds about seeing it....But OK I will give it a Go, Sounds Interesting.

Renegade Eye said...

Tony: The heel in the movie won "Best Actor" at Cannes.

I'm confident you'd like it.

noni said...

Tarantino one of the self thought director who learn film making watching films through video library in VHS era ...wong kar wei...madhur bhanderkar..etc are also in the same line (no academic, film school type sophistication) so there is always a freshness, unpredictable happened and felt in their films

Gert said...

I for one will probably not be watching this. It represents to me the worst of popular American culture: the glorification of extreme violence for pure monetary gain.

Tarantino's movies never impressed me at all: Pulp Fiction withstood one viewing because of its quirkiness but not a second. Reservoir Dogs was boring, tedious and unrealistically violent, despite some decent acting.

This latest offering is likely to be cartoonish, super violent excrement with the intellectual content of a boiled potato.

And Brad Pitt, quite good in Kalifornia and Thelma and Louise, seems increasingly lazy as an actor, playing mostly, well... Brad Pitt!

No, for mindless ketchup violence with a wink, a smile and some funny culture references, give me Hellboy II anytime.

The genre of 'Jews with guns' is likely to become more prevalent but it's based on a 'reverse romantisation' of past Jewish suffering: it's not like persecuted Jews haven't violently resisted their fate frequently in the past. Give me archival/documentary footage of these episodes over ketchup splattering each and every time.

Half of what comes out of Hollywood nowadays should come with notice: 'The Pentagon thanks you for watching this'...

Gert said...

The few lines in the trailer are shockingly bad too...

jams o donnell said...

I've never cared much for Tarantino's films. I might try it, I might not... On a bright note District 9 has got its UK release now. I think a cinema visit is in the offing

The Pagan Temple said...

I don't know what I think of Tarantino. I like the films I've seen by him, but they might be wearing a little thin. Segment or "chapter" subtitles, backtracking sequences of events, the by now obligatory and even boring rock music scores, etc., etc.

Of course when it comes to the last point, he is just one of the mob by now.

By the way, can we ever have a film sequence involving a motorcycle that does NOT include "Born To Be Wild" in the soundtrack? Grrrr

After a while, what once was fresh and innovative becomes stale and predictable. It actually hints of a lack of range.

I've read enough about this film that even the good reviews of it put me off from seeing it.

Renegade Eye said...

Noni: People like Tatantino for the folklore of being self taught. It's like how actors like Jim Carrey because he was homeless as a kid.

He has vast film knowledge.

Jams: This movie I know you'd like. When you see Chapter 1, you'll see as perfect filmaking as you'll ever see.

Gert: I think in American pop culture, there is quite a bit of postmodernism. With that comes identity politics.

The trailer doesn't do justice to this movie.

Pagan: The music was Morricone and even Beethoven.

Again this is his best movie. It has Academy Award level acting, great photography etc.

The dialog was actually sophisticated.

Gert said...

Farmer:

"Your anti-Semitism is showing again..."

Please explain while trying to be rational.

The Pagan Temple said...

Ren-

No big deal, but you misspelled the film's title. Tarantino purposely misspelled the title for some goofy reason or another. I think it had something to do with an older film with a similar title.

FJ said...

Please explain while trying to be rational.

Your statements regarding the film speak for themselves, mein filmencritikmayor.

Gert said...

Interestingly, Phil Weiss (from Mondoweiss) has a review of the film, Connecting with the Jewish rage in 'Basterds' (he liked it).

And from the comment section can be gleaned that this film is generating wildly varying opinions.

I still don't think the Hollywoodification of WW II and the Holocaust are a good thing: war movies have gone from a decidedly documentary style immediately after the war to cartoonish 'shoot'em up' flimsies a la The Guns of Navarone (1961) and the even more risible Where Eagles Dare (1968).

Far more interesting is The Pianist (with the great Adrien Brody, 2002). A very realistic portrayal of Jewish resistance in Poland and based on a true story too. But you don't get a lot of Bang! for your buck...

Gert said...

Farmer:

"Your statements regarding the film speak for themselves, mein filmencritikmayor."

As so often the gratuitous accuser claiming anti-Semitism cannot make his accusation hard and basically resorts to repeating it. Very lame...

Funny how in the 'Free world', expressing anticipated dislike for a particular film can land you the Jew-hater epithet. Not so free after all, as I've always known...

The Sentinel said...

Gert,

The comment you insisted on responding to was no longer up, neither were the other more 'contentious' ones - including your own.

What do you think the message might be here? What do you think that is telling you?

The Sentinel said...

I'll watch this film as soon as I get my hands on it; I like Tarantino films as a bit of entertainment, not to be too taken seriously despite its gruesome nature. Because that's all it is: Entertainment; its not meant to serve as an education or accurate portrayal of anything; if it entertains, it does the job.

I watched District 9 the other day and that was very good; very unique too. Its set as a docudrama and has a lot of humour in it along with some good action and effects and a moral based plot line; not sure what the moral was though (!)...

troutsky said...

film without ideas is just more Soma.

Renegade Eye said...

Gert: Yesterday I deleted all the personal attacks. Why did you bring it up again?

I'll be online later tonight.

Ducky's here said...

"This is easily Quinton Tarantino's best movie."

Be still my heart. Does that mean his douchbagness finally figures out how to move a camera? Did he finally discover art direction or the ability to write a sympathetic character?

He's a hack. I will never forgive The Chin for stealing the name "Jackie Brown" from the character in "The Friends of Eddie Coyle" which is by the by a film that really takes you to school on how to write dialogue.

Somehow, turning this Gen X dropout, who probably can't place D-Day in the correct decade, loose on WW II is bound to be a little vulgar.

FJ said...

Funny how in the 'Free world', expressing anticipated dislike for a particular film can land you the Jew-hater epithet. Not so free after all, as I've always known...

...funny how criticism of a certain minority presidential advisor/czar can land you with the "racist epiteth" whether you're Glen Beck or Joe Sixpack. Liberals aren't all that liberal after all, as I've always known...

You live by the derogatory epiteth, you die by the derogatory epiteth, Herr Filmencritikmayor.

Ducky's here said...

He has vast film knowledge.

---------------------------

Then why can't he handle a simple tracking shot?

Ducky's here said...

“About the tyranny of living a life of movie-fed fantasies, and while it makes us see the poverty of those fantasies, it also makes them unaccountably rich, poetic, sad.”

---------------

That's a quote from a review of Jean-Luc Godard's "Band of Outsiders" (not coincidentally Quentin The Chin named his production company after the film. The comment is spot on but somehow Tarantino forgets how to make his images either rich, poetic or sad. They are not compelling in any way.

I've always tried to believe that film can be transformative even in the current megaplex era. I still believe it's possible but we could do ourselves a favor and kick this post modern stuff that has no meaning or standards, the stuff Tarantino is pushing.

He has no extensive knowledge of film. His film quotes are just a kid showing off without any real idea of the meaning of what he's quoting.
I enjoy references. Like Godard in "Breathless":

"We could get the money from Bob Montagne but he's in jail.
For sure"

A gentle tip of the hat to his daddy, Jean-Pierre Melville.

Or Rivette in "Celine and Julie Go Boating" where he takes the robbery of a library by his two leads on roller skates in black body stockings and turns it into a reference to a 1914 movie serial and the whole history of film narrative.

Those French guys. Really how dare Tarantino dilute the great river of film. It's a travesty. The guy has no feeling for film history, film technique or just simple humanism. I really detest the guy.

Renegade Eye said...

Wow! I didn't expect such a reaction against Quinton Tarantino.

The movie is entirely fiction. I can't tell the ending, but it certainly is revisionist.

Pagan: I changed to the imdb,com spelling.

Troutsky: You are objectively correct. Subjectively there is room for film without meaning.

Gert: The Guns of Navarone was one of the inspirations for this movie.

The movie ends with the war ending in a fictional manner.

It's meant to simply be, a spaghetti western with a WWII background. It can't be compared to Brody's movie.

Sentinel: I agree with most of what you said.

District 09 was making a statement about immigrants.

Ducky: Tarantino managed to get an Oscar caliber performance from Christolph Waltz. Waltz won best actor at Cannes. Melanie Lauent as Shoshona was superb. Waltz elevated the movie.

This film and Jackie Brown show Tarantino on the less self indulgent side.

The first twenty minutes of the movie, is as good filmmaking you'll see. You can feel the tension, the photography was good, and the dialog sharp.

I defended Slumdog Millionaire as well.

Renegade Eye said...

FJ: Glenn Beck has been a blessing for socialists.

I don't think he really believes what he says. Just an attention seeker.

FJ said...

Ren:

We LOVE Arianna, too!

FJ said...

Thanks to people like them, the stigma of being called a racist is completely GONE. The only ones still talking in code are on the Left.

The Pagan Temple said...

It would take a whole skyscraper full of Glenn Becks to make up for Ariana, Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, Dan Rather-need I go on?

If a group of terrorists flew a plane into that skyscraper full of Glenn Becks and killed them all, the names I listed would be at least strongly hinting that they brought it on themselves.

All that is why I take Ren at his word when he insists he dislikes Democrats and other so-called "liberals". He should dislike them even more than I do.

By the way Ren, are you going to be doing a review of Oliver Stones film South Of The Border?

You can probably add Stone to that list as well.

And in keeping with the subject of the post, I'll just add that in my opinion the reason a lot of people dislike Tarantino has more to do with the so-called gratuitous violence that features so prominently in so many of his films.

The man does have a bloodthirsty imagination. Probably the first real good clue to that effect was From Dusk Till Dawn.

(Which reminds me, you can add George Clooney to that list of mine).

From Dusk Till Dawn is one of those films that you would have to struggle to find some kind of "hidden meaning" or message. The last just turns inexplicably from a kidnapping situation (Tarantino is actually quite good in the role of Clooney's perverted little brother, by the way) into a vampire bloodletting tour de force.

I liked it, but it would be a stretch to suggest the film had any kind of overriding social value, and I suspect that's true of all his films.

Ducky's here said...

Farmer, I think it is a stretch to call "Chin" Tarantino an anti-semite.
Apparently there are in his latest films some Jewish characters that are not portrayed with any dignity or humanity but people have to understand that The Chin portrays ALL his characters with those same deficiencies.
He can't write a fleshed out character and his audience doesn't demand them.

I'm interested by his inclusion of a movie poster for Clouzot's "Le Corbeau". Many point to this as an example of The Chin's comprehensive grasp of movie history. Now myself, I'll bet the car that The Chin has never watched a Clouzot film and would be lost if he did.
Also the film was banned and would have only been exhibited in a very, very narrow window in 1944 so it really doesn't fit The Chin's time line.

It goes without saying that the end is "revisionist" but I have no idea why this it would be discussed seriously.

I also want to know if the dolly grips on his shoots get a paycheck or unemployment. Talk about a static camera.

Signing off.
President of the Tarantino Sucks Club

Ducky's here said...

Oh, Ren, Tarantino is the kind of cultural corrupter that Gramsci warned us about.

Anonymous said...

wow, actual deletion

cool

Gert said...

Sent:

"The comment you insisted on responding to was no longer up, [...]"

It was when I responded to it.

The deletions are a step in the right direction.

Gert said...

Ren:

"Gert: Yesterday I deleted all the personal attacks. Why did you bring it up again?"

Come on: I responded to what was there (how could I have responded to comments that had been deleted???)

And that's the end of that, as far as I'm concerned.

Gert said...

Farmer:

"...funny how criticism of a certain minority presidential advisor/czar can land you with the "racist epiteth" whether you're Glen Beck or Joe Sixpack."

And where did I criticise Glenn Beck? Nowhere. But I will now.

The man's a comedian, just a little too much pathos to be entirely convincing. Are there people out there that buy into his... erm... 'shows'? That would be plenty. And they deserve ridicule. You aren't perchance a Beckie, are you Farmer? Glenn, don't ever change... pu-leaease?

And when will you have something to say about Tarantino's 'The New Guns of Navarone'?

The Sentinel said...

"It was when I responded to it."

As a point of fact: No, it wasn't.

I noticed the deletion and then after that, I saw your comment; that's why I then made my comment and that's why Renegade Eye then made his.


"The deletions are a step in the right direction."

Gratuitous personal attacks and baseless argumentum ad honimen are an inhibitor of real debate; it is the mark of a low intelligence, thuggish fanatic who has no real idea of what they 'believe' in, no ability to debate and no defensible position.

Anonymous take note.

Gert said...

Sent:

"I noticed the deletion and then after that, I saw your comment; that's why I then made my comment and that's why Renegade Eye then made his."

Perhaps the deletion happened while I was typing my comment (in Word). I responded because I could see it, it was there. By the time mine got published perhaps the other comment had disappeared? That's the only logical explanation. I wouldn't respond to comments that had been deleted to my knowledge.

"Gratuitous personal attacks and baseless argumentum ad honimen [...]"

Define ad hominem though.

The Sentinel said...

"Define ad hominem though"

Renegade Eye already has in his comments policy:

"Attack ideas, not people"

Renegade Eye said...

I saw a screening of a new comedy starring Andy Griffith from Fox Searchlight. Tomorrow is a screening of the new movie about the Baader-Meinhof gang.

Gert: I agree with you. I think Beck is about $$, not ideas. I don't think he's sincere.

I don't own a sinceremeter, so maybe I'm wrong.

Ducky: I like Tarantino, because I like jumping between low brow and high brow culture.

Most movies that get to theaters, don't deserve their budget.

Pagan: All terrorism, whether the cause is right or not, turns on the purveyor. It always gives your enemy's an excuse.

This movie was Tarantino's by far most mature. If you can only see the first 20 minutes, you'd see something worthwhile.

Oliver Stone's Bush movie was a hoot. He was soft on Bush.

FJ: In code?

Sentinel: You might find it interesting reading this blog's first year. When I started it, I was pro-neoconservative, in a funny way. I was barely political until later.

FJ said...

FJ: In code?

Yes, in code. How else can you explain why Leftists always hear "I hate black people" whenever a Republican objects to a democratic health care proposal? Somebody is obviously too used to listening for code...

Gert said...

FJ:

"How else can you explain why Leftists always hear "I hate black people" whenever a Republican objects to a democratic health care proposal?"

Aren't you seriously over-stating your case, especially with that "always"? Give me some verifiable quotes. I'm sure it goes on but not quite as often as you make out. And I think some Conservatives use the 'they're calling me racist!' sometimes pre-emptively I think.

The Conservative movement is quite hysterical right now. Instead of orderly regrouping they're lashing out left, right and centre and behaving very viscerally. Take the Birthers for instance: it seems inconceivable to me that the same kerfuffle would have broken out if Obama was the son of an English Protestant and that he had spent some time in British schools?

Ren:

Beck is about money, I'm pretty sure of it. All that hand wringing, head-in-hands, 'please see how deeply I care' stuff is too contrived to be really true... And he's one of those that actually called Obama a racist, go figure...

And you, a past 'pro-neoconservative'??? Blimey...

Renegade Eye said...

Gert: I used to think Hitchens mattered. Now I find him trite.

Beck just knows his niche audience. He is for making $$ off them.

FJ: Who cares about Oren Hatch, when you have Obama and Clinton to fight?

Ducky's here said...

Well ren, if you want a good dose of "low art" Quentin sure ain't a bad choice.

If he'd just admit that's his niche then it would be cool. Complications ensue when he's taken a little too seriously

Gert said...

Ren:

Hitchens lost my respect with his pro-war stance and more importantly, his inability to retract on it. His stances on religion used to be quite funny but then he veered quite close to anti-religionism (also a form of bigotry). And on I-P his silence is truly deafening...

Renegade Eye said...

I'll reply more tonight.

Gert: I think one of the problems with the "New Atheists," is that even if they are correct, they are arrogant.

Hitch supports a 2 state solution on I-P.

Ducky: Tarantino's latest movie is more mature than others.

Tarantino has his prints on his movies. He walks the line between hi and lo brow.

FJ said...

Give me some verifiable quotes.

See the link at my post @ 7:29 on 9/9 above. Oh, that's right, you don't read anybody else's comments... you just shoot off your mouth at the faintest hint at criticism.

Take the Birthers for instance: it seems inconceivable to me that the same kerfuffle would have broken out if Obama was the son of an English Protestant and that he had spent some time in British schools?

Face facts... The Governator is never going to be a U.S. president, either.

FJ said...

...and you were wondering what the code was, Ren? "Birther" is the new liberal code for racist.

You'll notice how quickly Gert reaches for it whenever the "chosen one" finds himself on the receiving end of a little political heat.

Gert said...

FJ:

"that's right, you don't read anybody else's comments... you just shoot off your mouth at the faintest hint at criticism."

Who's a bit grumpy today, eh?

Ensley over-reaches by near-equating calling Obama a 'socialist' with racism. But he makes some otherwise good points though.

Do you think it's far-fetched to believe that Conservative loss of power and irrational fears about a changing America is bringing out residual racist reflexes in some people?

The Governator isn't a natural born American. In my hypothetical example, the president would be a natural born American, but son of a white English protestant and having spent some time abroad during his formative years.

You really don't need to go to white supremacist sites to find Conservative bloggers who consider America a 'white Christian nation'...

Gert said...

FJ:

"Birther" is the new liberal code for racist.

Not in my book. Imbeciles yes, racists no.

Can anyone seriously believe the Democrats, no matter how dumb you want to consider them, would have forwarded a candidate for the nomination (and later for the election) without having checked that basic fact? Or that they would take the risk continuing with such a candidate if it had transpired he wasn't a NBA? That takes a conspiracy of the order of 9/11 Truth. Hence the similar epithets 'birther' and 'truther'...

Gert said...

See, FJ, all these phenomena on the Far right, from the 'birthers', calling O. a 'Socialist', Glenn Beck, Palin's 'death panels' etc, it all makes the conservative movement look profoundly stupid and lost... And you know that.

FJ said...

Sounds like wishful thinking on your part, Gert... and you know that.

The Pagan Temple said...

I might be wrong here, it has been known to happen a time or two. But I am reasonably sure it doesn't really matter where Obama was born, for the simple fact that his mother was a natural born US citizen, and as her son, so was he, regardless of where he was actually born.

Having said that, I do think there is something very strange about him not coming forward with his actual birth certificate. It could be that he is simply holding back and allowing Republicans to make asses out of themselves.

I think he's already played that for all its worth though. I think there's more to it than that. I think there might be something on that birth certificate he doesn't want anybody to know about.

Frankly, I think the man might have been born a heroin addict, or some other kind of addict. Who knows, he might have even been born with syphilis.

FJ said...

Nah, more likely a hermaphrodite... it's why Hillary was so anxious during the campaign.

The Pagan Temple said...

FJ-

"Nah, more likely a hermaphrodite... it's why Hillary was so anxious during the campaign."

You might be on to something there. Who knows, maybe Obama is one of these guys our atheist friend Daniel Hoffman Gill (aka as-Anonymous) claims was born in the "wrong body".

FJ said...

...and Hillary is widely rumoured to swing both ways.

FJ said...

Reminds me of somebody else we both might know.

Gert said...

Yawn...

FJ said...

Yep, that the been the general reaction. The Left has become a single issue party... and success on that issue has led them into irrelevance.

Steve Harkonnen said...

Personally I'd love to see someone produce a version of this film where the Inglorious Basterds are actually right wingers who chase and hunt down Obama supporters, and where Obama plays the part of the anti-hero and gets blown up. Instead of a swastika they cut in the Obama symbol on their heads.

FJ said...

I think this sign sums up the foundation of every Left wing argument on every subject they choose to weigh in on...

Gert said...

FJ:

I think video sums up with much greater subtlety than AOW (a blowhard if I've ever seen one) could ever do that racism does indeed play a part in reactions to Obama...

FJ said...

The Left can't win a reasoned discussion with the Right on healthcare OR any other subject in this country. The ONLY tool in it's rhetorical toolbox are allegations of racism/classism. Period. Therefore, every debate with the Left devolves into accusations of racism/classism.

You and Daniel HG are walking/ talking proof of that, Gert.

The Sentinel said...

I second that

Gert said...

FJ:

Your defence against racism being a part of Conservative reflexes to Obama is so overstated it's caricatural. I thought AOW's point might be at least half joking but in your case it's not: it's a cynical 'throw it back in their faces' tactic.

Sentinel's support speaks volumes to your position.

The Sentinel said...

"Sentinel's support speaks volumes to your position"


Of course, I am not really a human in your book worthy of any note or credit let alone capable of having an opinion worthy of any merit; If I agree with something it must be tainted, I am that much of a monster.

And of course, I must be a "racist" / "classist" / assorted "ists" in your book because I dare to speak out against the PC lunacy and use evidence to prove its lunacy.

A cardinal sin against your religion. How very "fascist" of me.

All of your two syllable labels - your one word judgements - are far superior to any form of debate and presentation of rationalised opinion and evidence, are they not? All you have to do is shout "racist" to think all debate has to end, do you not?

Don't let the fact that you don't "believe" in race but still use the word "racism" like some kind of tourettes sufferer put you off; no, who better to be that superior and infallible PC one word judge then you, eh Gert?

FJ said...

LOL! And if you buy ANY of that idiot interviewee or interviewer's arguments, then you REALLY have to be a simpleton.

You're a single issue argument, Gert, and a not very good one at that.

American Conservatives seek to preserve our traditions of individualism and self-reliance. Those traditions were born in the English-American colonies, matured, and eventually led to the abolishment of all forms of slavery introduced to us through the corrupt British mercantile system.

Gert said...

FJ:

If anyone is making this into a single issue it's you. I don't claim this is all about racism, only that it plays a part in certain Conservative circles. Which it does. Indisputably so.

"American Conservatives seek to preserve our traditions of individualism and self-reliance. Those traditions were born in the English-American colonies, matured, and eventually led to the abolishment of all forms of slavery introduced to us through the corrupt British mercantile system."

The fact that "slavery [was] introduced to us through the corrupt British mercantile system" absolves American slave traders/owners?

And how does it prove that there is no racism in certain parts of Conservative America?

From the comments page of that video:

dawgfan24348 (1 week ago)
Racisim more like not wanting the goverment to ruin healthcare like they did to everything else
plokijpoiu (1 week ago)
lol you white guys who talk that white america bravado are ridiculous. chances are you guys are tucked away safe in the suburbs hidden behind your computer talking that white power shit. i swear you guys have to be the most coward ass punks to ever walk this earth.
nba2020 (1 week ago) Show Hide
glad i live in canada
fumetti (1 week ago) Show Hide
Tim Wise I will destroy in any argument. Bring me that piece of shit.
nba2020 (1 week ago) Show Hide
why dont you like him, because he told the truth?
stevencool104 (1 week ago) Show Hide
He thinks that "White racial resentment" is a bad thing. For all that has been taken from us, partly from our own blindness, partly from the treachery of Jew aliens like him, we should realize that it is completely acceptable and should be nurtured. Not nipped in the bud by an Jew media implanted jerk response. White Pride World Wide.
MorningStarIX (2 weeks ago) Show Hide
You're just neo-Marxist Jew trash.
Go wander the desert or something, Judah.
MorningStarIX (2 weeks ago) Show Hide
Anti-racist is just a code word for anti-White.
Tim Wise, Noel Ignatiev, that half-gorilla professor - they openly call for the extermination of White people and any form of unity White people have.
Jews, niggers, spics, homos - we GIVE everything to them, and this is how they repay us - they call for our deaths and then have the nerve to call us the haters for merely responding to what they're doing.
It's time to wake up and UNITE. Things could be so much better for us.
nba2020 (1 week ago) Show Hide
dang, coulda hid the racism a just a little bit, no?
MorningStarIX (2 weeks ago) Show Hide
Tim Wise is just neo-Marxist ARA trash.
Note he doesn't deny that he's a Jew, and that's of course why he hates White people.
"You Jew-communist-traitor-pig!" said the Nazi.
"Hey! I'm not a PIG!" replied the Jew.



But hey, no racism there!

Sent:

I'm seriously tired of you. You're preferred tactic seems to have become to come up with a ginormous strawman argument, full of 'monstrous things' the opponent is alleged to have said of you. Each time those strawmen get angrier and wilder, designed to make the opponent look like a monster himself.

You're not a fascist but you are a racist: you believe in racial theory and the superiority of the White Race. You've argued your case in the past till my ears nearly came off. I thought you might have been a bit 'reformed' on that. I was wrong.

Gert said...

FJ:

"American Conservatives seek to preserve our traditions of individualism and self-reliance."

I think you should speak for yourself: there aren't that many American Conservatives that come from a Plato-Nietzschean perspective. On Plato, most would wonder what astrology [sic] has to do with it... (LOL)

The Sentinel said...

“I'm seriously tired of you”

Likewise.

You only ever have a couple of syllables to contribute.


“you're preferred tactic seems to have become to come up with a ginormous strawman argument, full of 'monstrous things' the opponent is alleged to have said of you.”

You have pretty much thrown everything under the PC sun at me and you know you have.


“each time those strawmen get angrier and wilder, designed to make the opponent look like a monster himself.”

Care to explain your little dig / comment: “Sentinel's support speaks volumes to your position” then?



“You're not a fascist but you are a racist”

I’m neither, but your PC standards you are both.


“you believe in racial theory”

I “believe” in racial fact; as is thoroughly proven.


“and the superiority of the White Race.”

Yet again you repeat your own lies.

Because that’s all you have, labels and lies.

FJ said...

I won't deny that there are likely racists in the conservative movement, but not nearly so many as there are in the "progressive" camp that delights in holier than thou rhetoric and manufacturing evidence of racial intolerance (similaer to the video comments you presented).

And I was a conservative LONG before I ever picked up a book by Plato or Nietzsche. So no, I don't speak only for myself. I speak for American conservatives "generally" and the values many hold sacred.

Illusions of Racial Superiority is NOT one of those values. There are, however, currently many acknowledged and measurable racial group differences. And whether we Americans decide eventually to maintain or eradicate these group differences is no one's business but our own.

I've got a feeling that we will so choose to narrow certain racial gaps, but we will not tolerate anyone trying to tell us how to do it. It's something we need to figure out for ourselves in our own time, and not from some egalitarian pogrom imposed institutionally fron "on high" to someboy's legislative calendar.

FJ said...

Did you ever read Michelle Obama's Princeton college thesis? You should. It wasn't all that long ago that blacks were of two minds on the subject of "integration."

Or do you presume to know what's best and speak for them?

FJ said...

Enjoy!

Gert said...

FJ:

"There are, however, currently many acknowledged and measurable racial group differences. And whether we Americans decide eventually to maintain or eradicate these group differences is no one's business but our own."

This kind of thinking always leads to post hoc rationalisations a la 'we're [own group] innately better', or 'they [the interlopers] don't fit in, they must go'. Once a group starts thinking like that, you've got the start of a new wave of segregation at best or the beginning of ethnic cleansing at worst.

As regards Michelle Obama's thesis, minorities around the world have often chosen self-imposed ghettoisation as a defense mechanism. In the long run it doesn't work. Didn't work for European Jews either.

There will always be some tendency towards segregation because some people just prefer to 'live among their own' (whether 'own' means white, black or other). But it shouldn't be encouraged. Humans focus far too much on their perceived differences and not enough on their all too real similarities.

The Sentinel said...

“This kind of thinking always leads to post hoc rationalisations a la 'we're [own group] innately better”


And if there isn’t any of that kind of thinking then you can always just make it up anyway like your often repeated lie about me “you believe in…the superiority of the White Race.”

Doesn’t matter that not once have I ever said that and doesn’t matter that quite clearly to anyone I pretty much always speak my mind on everything without reservation.

But it all really comes to down to the fact that you really believe that you have some sort of God given right to dictate how people should think and what they should say; and then when they say something that goes against what you believe they should be thinking in the first you also believe you have some God given right to judge a human being and their entire life with two syllables and one word condemnations and think you are entitled to use these arbitrary labels to shut them up and end any debate that you don’t like.

Gert said...

Sent:

"[...] repeated lie about me “you believe in…the superiority of the White Race.”"

No repeated lie here. You've defended ideas about Racial Superiority tooth and nail in the past (see over at BEAJ's).

"I pretty much always speak my mind on everything without reservation."

No, you don't. You put words into opponents' mouths (straw men), then go and argue points the opponent didn't make.

"But it all really comes to down to the fact that you really believe that you have some sort of God given right to dictate how people should think and what they should say; and then when they say something that goes against what you believe they should be thinking in the first you also believe you have some God given right to judge a human being and their entire life with two syllables and one word condemnations and think you are entitled to use these arbitrary labels to shut them up and end any debate that you don’t like."

Is the perfect example really. I'm expressing an opinion and look what you turn it into: 'God given right', 'judge a human being', 'shut them up', 'end any debate you don't like'.

But I guess you're right: this debate is over as far as I'm concerned. If that constitutes 'ending debates I don't like', then so be it.

FJ said...

You nailed it Sentinel.

Gert's a wallower in hypocrisy. He knows better than Michelle Obama about what's good for America's blacks, and he will use any and all means available to him to lie, cheat or steal; to mold them into the single image he sees fit for humankind.

FJ said...

Can we all hold hands and sing kumbaya now, Lord Gert?

Ruby wine is drunk by knaves,
Sugar spends to fatten slaves,
Rose and vine-leaf deck buffoons;
Thunderclouds are Jove's festoons,
Drooping oft in wreaths of dread
Lightning-knotted round his head;
The hero is not fed on sweets,
Daily his own heart he eats;
Chambers of the great are jails,
And head-winds right for royal sails.
-Emerson, "Heroism"

FJ said...

Why the Left wallows in "pity" and "compassion" for the "poor and oppressed" working classes.

Human, All too Human

"For in pity at least two (maybe many more) elements of personal pleasure are contained, and it is to that extent self-enjoyment: first of all, it is the pleasure of the emotion (the kind of pity we find in tragedy) and second, when it drives us to act, it is the pleasure of our satisfaction in the exercise of power. If, in addition, a suffering person is very close to us, we reduce our own suffering by our acts of pity. Aside from a few philosophers, men have always placed pity rather low in the hierarchy of moral feelings-and rightly so.

Desire to arouse pity. In the most noteworthy passage of his self-portrait (first published in 1658), La Rochefoucauld certainly hits the mark when he warns all reasonable men against pity, when he advises them to leave it to those common people who need passions (because they are not directed by reason) to bring them to the point of helping the sufferer and intervening energetically in a misfortune. For pity, in his (and Plato's) judgment, weakens the soul. Of course one ought to express pity, but one ought to guard against having it; for unfortunate people are so stupid that they count the expression of pity as the greatest good on earth.


Lacking "reason", without pity the Left would be deprived of all passion, leaving nothing to impel them to action.

Gert said...

FJ:

Hypocrisy? Ridiculous...

"He knows better than Michelle Obama about what's good for America's blacks, and he will use any and all means available to him to lie, cheat or steal; to mold them into the single image he sees fit for humankind."

Nice try. I differ in opinion from Michelle Obama, as do many blacks and whites. That's all. Keep reading tea leaves. You of course have no opinion on humankind, right? That's why you run a blog, right? To promote your non-opinions, right?

Imbecile...

FJ said...

Yep. I have a blog that promotes certain opinions and values. Individualism. Self-reliance.

Not imagining socialst workers utopias with one size fits all health care systems that force everyone into them.

FJ said...

My America leaves American blacks to determine their own fate, yours strips them of their culture and paints them white. I'm sure they're very grateful.

The Sentinel said...

“No repeated lie here.”


You know it’s a lie; and you have had to admit it’s a lie several times. The last time was fairly recently when I nailed you down over it and all you could come up with was:

“You imply it.”

And as I told you then:

“No, you infer it. A very different thing.”

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=11234003&postID=1929198730000953745

So to come straight back to what I said:

I am not a white supremacist and nor have I ever proclaimed to be, because, funnily enough, I am not one.

When you say I am you are lying. You are a liar. And you like to repeat your lies as often as you can.


“No, you don't. You put words into opponents' mouths (straw men), then go and argue points the opponent didn't make.”

What a load of fantasy land rubbish. Some examples then…

The truth is that I say exactly what I think and what I mean and that enrages a PC fascist like you.

Just more desperate lies and hypocrisy from you.


“Is the perfect example really. I'm expressing an opinion and look what you turn it into: 'God given right'.,.”

I notice you cut the quote from including this “to dictate how people should think”…

…which was a direct corollary to your latest example of the kind of thought control powers you think you should have...

“This kind of thinking always leads… Once a group starts thinking like that…”

You were not expressing an objective opinion; you were stating how people should think which is exactly what I said in the first place.


“But I guess you're right: this debate is over as far as I'm concerned. If that constitutes 'ending debates I don't like', then so be it.”

Are you sure you don’t want to go into hysterical over drive to try to shut me up and close down a debate you don’t like first?

You know the game: After copious amounts of insults, labels and off topic goading start telling me I have had my opinion and to shut up and maybe end a few posts with the most pathetic see-through hysterical rubbish of…

We've had enough. We want this blog back.

… to try and shut down debate that you started but didn’t like anymore as it starting tearing your PC bullshit apart with the evidence? Even though the “we” was, well, really just you, a guy fantasizing about incest and bestiality and another one who regularly does the same but was so much of a coward couldn’t even post under his real ID and topped it off with the vilest insults imaginable?

And what about this hysterical gem of rubbish:


“I can practically feel your rage through my DSL cable”


You not want to try that one again to try and shut people up and force your will upon them?

You sure you don’t want to try ANY more of these stunts before retiring from a debate you couldn’t shut down and people you couldn’t force your will upon and shut up like this:


“You're nuts. Completely stark raving bonkers.

Please don't visit my blog again.

Bye”

Gert said...

FJ:

"My America leaves American blacks to determine their own fate, yours strips them of their culture and paints them white. I'm sure they're very grateful. "

Complete tosh.

I express the opinion that segregation isn't good for society, not good for blacks but not for good whites either. Segregation is something that affects society, not just majorities and minorities. It can only lead to further division.

That's my opinion, I believe it's a majority view. If Michelle Obama (still?) disagrees with me then good for her.

yours strips them of their culture and paints them white is really one of the funniest things you've come up so far. Especially in the light of a discussion I had not so long ago with one of 'yours' who asked me: 'how do you get your [British] blacks to talk so well? We can't get them to drop the ghetto talk...'

The answer is of course that how 'our blacks talk' is really their business and none of ours.

Gert said...

Sent:


Zzzzzzzzzz...

The Sentinel said...

"Zzzzzzzzzz..."

aka fully exposed as a lying, thought police wannabe crank yet again - along with all of the laughable, pathetic see-through stunts - and sensibly, for a change, not wishing to dig any further in.

Well done.

Progress.

FJ said...

Tyours strips them of their culture and paints them white is really one of the funniest things you've come up so far. Especially in the light of a discussion I had not so long ago with one of 'yours' who asked me: 'how do you get your [British] blacks to talk so well? We can't get them to drop the ghetto talk...'

The answer is of course that how 'our blacks talk' is really their business and none of ours.


That's hardly a "British consensus". Sounds like something you picked up from "us Yanks"... or more likely, "your blacks" picked up from "us 'Mericans". We are, after all, two nations separated by a common language.

Gert said...

FJ:

'yours' meant an American Conservative. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

What does' painting blacks white' really mean, anyway? Aren't we all supposed to be citizens first and foremost in the Nation State concept? (nowhere should this be more true than in the US) Otherwise advocate the Ethno-State, a la Israel.

In the Nation State background (ethno, religious, other) shouldn't matter. And while I prefer a certain degree of assimilation, those who prefer not to integrate but don't break any laws cannot and should not be forced to further assimilate.

That's why the comment by the 'Yank' made me laugh: the idea the 'we' have 'taught' 'our' blacks to 'talk nicely'... He meant it too.

Gert said...

BTW, Farmer:

"Yep. I have a blog that promotes certain opinions and values. Individualism. Self-reliance."

By blogging you're an activist. Your own Utopia cannot be won without a fight. You're willing to fight. Good. That makes you a Utopian. Like me. Different Utopias, different Dystopias.

FJ said...

Aren't we all supposed to be citizens first and foremost in the Nation State concept.

Let me give you a hint as to the overall concept....

The United States of America.

...or as my Scottish friends are fond of saying.... "Up the British!"


By blogging you're an activist. Your own Utopia cannot be won without a fight. You're willing to fight. Good. That makes you a Utopian.

For fighting to preserve the status quo (which is obviously no utopia) and trying to prevent Ixion's wheel from taking another needless spin, you label me a utopian? That is really rich. One man's utopia is another man's dystopia... and even Huxley's "Island" couldn't survive it's resource heritage.

FJ said...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you're too lazy and slow witted to look it up yourself, so here.

Hope springs eternal that a proper education could ever cure a leftist.

Gert said...

FJ:

"Hope springs eternal that a proper education could ever cure a leftist."

Whatever you feel the Right 'does better', it doesn't appear to stem from education: on your side of the blogosphere very poor spelling, virtually non-existent grammar and punctuation ride high (numeracy and literacy are generally considered good measuring standards on education, are they not?) Not to mention a paucity of arguments that leads to simply trying to invert the other side's arguments, genre 'anti-racism is anti-white'.

FJ said...

See, that's where you make your first mistake. You measure education in terms of literacy/numeracy and performance on skills learned in the Humanities Dept, whilst we measure it by performance on skills learned in the Science and Theology Departments. Your practitioners write Hollywood scripts, ours send manned expeditions to Mars. Yours are masters of celluloid and virtual worlds, ours are the masters of the workplace and the universe. Your graduates write fiction.... and ours, well, you get the general idea.

Gert said...

Very funny, FJ ;-)

FJ said...

Funny Indeed.

Plato, "Phaedrus"

SOCRATES: At the Egyptian city of Naucratis, there was a famous old god, whose name was Theuth; the bird which is called the Ibis is sacred to him, and he was the inventor of many arts, such as arithmetic and calculation and geometry and astronomy and draughts and dice, but his great discovery was the use of letters. Now in those days the god Thamus was the king of the whole country of Egypt; and he dwelt in that great city of Upper Egypt which the Hellenes call Egyptian Thebes, and the god himself is called by them Ammon. To him came Theuth and showed his inventions, desiring that the other Egyptians might be allowed to have the benefit of them; he enumerated them, and Thamus enquired about their several uses, and praised some of them and censured others, as he approved or disapproved of them. It would take a long time to repeat all that Thamus said to Theuth in praise or blame of the various arts. But when they came to letters, This, said Theuth, will make the Egyptians wiser and give them better memories; it is a specific both for the memory and for the wit. Thamus replied: O most ingenious Theuth, the parent or inventor of an art is not always the best judge of the utility or inutility of his own inventions to the users of them. And in this instance, you who are the father of letters, from a paternal love of your own children have been led to attribute to them a quality which they cannot have; for this discovery of yours will create forgetfulness in the learners' souls, because they will not use their memories; they will trust to the external written characters and not remember of themselves. The specific which you have discovered is an aid not to memory, but to reminiscence, and you give your disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth; they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing; they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing; they will be tiresome company, having the show of wisdom without the reality.

Anonymous said...

I HATE JEWS

FJ said...

Gert,

Could you please tell your anti-Semitic Storm Front fans to post elsewhere.

Gert said...

Farmer:

All you're showing here is just how deep your indoctrination on Israel goes.

Lemmesee, Sentinel reprinted an article on how Einstein plagiarised the Lorentz conjecture (complete bull crap, as I demonstrated in my comment to his post), claims (with INTERWEBS LINK!!!) that Jews are really Khazars and posted a YouTube video claiming the Armenian genocide had been committed by... Jews! Not to mention the other anti-semitic fluff he deals in.

Me? I'm critical of Israel's actions vis-à-vis Palestine or what's left of it.

By making comments like this you turn anything you've previously written into a complete travesty...

But you just can't help yourself, can you?

Gert said...

FJ:

I suggest you thoroughly read this thread here to form perhaps a better opinion on your new-found brother in arms. The same counts for Pagan. There's, BTW, plenty more where that came from.

Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised: in Zionism's history there are clear episodes of collusion with anti-Semites, when it served Zionism's purposes...

Gert said...

Oh, and here he is again, this time on the Protocols.... Priceless...

The Sentinel said...

So you want to continue to be exposed as the anti-Semitic, lying, perverted, ‘jooo’ obsessed “racist filth” crank that you are?

Fine by me.


Although by doing so you have already proved what a lying piece of work you are when not just three days ago you made a pathetic and hysterical statement that you would ignore me forever more and begged me to do the same with you!!!

Like I said to that load of old crap – “if only!””

You pull these stunts all of the time, because you not only obsessed with forcing your will and opinions onto all dissenters, and not only does it allow you to indulge in your obsessions, but you very much appear to be obsessed with me personally; I blame the male blond avatar as a factor of your obsession given your obvious homosexual leanings and I changed it, but you still posted long and disgustingly graphic sexual comments on my blog. You need help mate. You really do.

Every time you touch a keyboard you lie don’t you Gert?

And of course, always without presenting a single scrap of evidence.

And the first comment I make on your pathetic little link is this:

“I am isolationist, not a supremacist but I know it is hard for you to think beyond your prejudices and limited vocabulary of smears and labels.”

And go on to say:


"As I have said countless times, ordinary Jews are the same as everyone else and largely just want to get on with life, it is the Zionist that are the real trouble; Zionists who already have Zion but want much, much more.”

But it does prove, yet again, what a brazen liar you are when you claimed you had NEVER called me a “holocaust denier” as you are at again in this thread:

“you clearly come across as a fully fledged Holocaust denier”

And I am very pleased that you have linked to threads where, yet again I use calm reason and debate with reams of evidence only to encounter twisted filth and insults.

You lying, anti-Semitic, sexually deviant piece of twisted detritus.

Stick to insults about “Jewish tits” and comparing Jews to the Nazis, and more specifically the master race.

That you are the most astounding liar, hypocrite and PC zealot has been firmly established; you think you can churn out your daily contempt for Jews and that’s fine – because you claim to be a High Priest of the PC cult and therefore whilst all others may be sullied, you have not a speck; that you get called a rabid anti-Semite and “racist filth” by at least dozens of people for your frequent anti-Semitic slips you cry foul!

But woe betide anyone else who doesn’t have your PC permission to mention Jews (in any context) occasionally! You need to resort back to you’re your heretic hysteria weapons of RACIST!!! ANTI-SEMITE!!! to shout down that dissenter and bring him back under your will – well Gert, you disgusting specimen, it doesn’t work with me.

Hence your impotent rage; your labels do nothing to or for me so cue the next and only recourse that your cult allows – accusations of mental illness and childhood sexual abuse. You pond life pervert.

The Sentinel said...

In as far as any of the topics you have raised were mentioned over the years, the dispute to Einstein and his work was widely covered by the MSM in any case.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/18/science/findings-back-einstein-in-a-plagiarism-dispute.html



The debate of the origins of all mankind, including the Ashkenazi – whom, incidentally you once disgustingly described as the Aske-NAZI – is a fluid, valid, regular and ordinary discourse amongst normal people:

"A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to R-M17, the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews


Whilst I have never claimed that the “Armenian genocide had been committed by... Jews!” you HAVE compared Jews to Nazis and attempted to sexually and racially insults and humiliate at least one Jewish woman online with your disgusting taunts. God know what you do in real life.

The Sentinel said...

That you call any debate you disapprove of and cannot control “anti-Semitic” is unsurprising; you are a fanatic. That you refuse to recognize that your fanaticism (as in all fanaticism) is merely symptomatic of a deeper issue - in this case your own latent anti-Semitism and strong homosexual leanings – and the absolute obsession you hold with all things Jewish, racial and homosexual springs from the projectionist model that such fanatics like you internalize.

You want to be surrounded and immersed by the things that obsess so that form an ever present factor in you life but you don’t want to be seen to be a protagonist and just a plain crank, so instinctively you play the role of the tireless defender of your obsessions, the ultimate PC thought cop and in this way you can wallow in your twisted fascinations, your infatuations, your secret hidden desires.

But every now again, as many people and many Jews have noticed, your hatred pours out.

Look into yourself Gertrude, long before you think you are qualified to look into others.

FJ said...

All you're showing here is just how deep your indoctrination on Israel goes.

Sure, Gert, just blame it on the Jews...

The Sentinel said...

By the way Gertrude, after another little off-topic debate that you started but couldn't control or shut down with your hysteria proved that muslims immigrants in Europe and Australia have a massive problem with crime and specialise in waging wars against their host nations visible symbols of authority - the police (and fire and ambulance crews) - what do you think now it has erupted yet again in your homeland of Belgium?

Muslim immigrants are currently on their third night of rioting in Brussels - (whilst Sweden's Gothenburg is on its 4th week):


“Police in the Belgian capital Brussels have arrested 43 people following a second night of civil unrest…

The area has a large population of North African immigrants and the youth was wanted by the authorities for taunting officers on the beat during Ramadan.

Police came under attack from stones and Molotov cocktails and cars in the area were torched. “

http://www.euronews.net/2009/09/19/second-night-of-riots-in-brussels-43-arrested/


(Yesterdays report, still going on today.)

And as I always say, if a picture paints a thousand words, then video goes one better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWTtMDI7GJU&feature=player_embedded



All of the cohesive elements I have already proved in detail were in place here too, especially the ambush of the police element.

Gert said...

Farmer:

"Sure, Gert, just blame it on the Jews..."

There are far, far more non-Jewish Zionists in the US than there are Jews (let alone Jewish Zionists). In all likelihood that's where you got your education on Israel from. It's merely part of US 'patriotism' to be pro-Israel. You don't really need Jews for that... I doubt if you know any in person.

Have at least the intellectual honesty to go and see what you new ally has to say for himself.

Or go join Hagee's CUFIs. It'd suit you (but don't bring Plato along).

Your problem is that you now have an anti-Semitic Far Right racist on your hands and he actually agrees with you on quite a few things. Embarrassing, no?

Sent:

Ashke-NAZI: sounds like something a lame troll like you would come up with. Not me. My conscience is completely clear on that. I haven't even heard anyone using that for years, not even Rickey (remember him?) would stoop to that.

Let them read these threads and see what they still think of you.

And what about the 'Jooos being responsible for the genocide of Christian Armenians', hey Sent?

Or you claiming I must be Jewish (because I 'hang out' on Jewish blogs)?

Another set of "reasonable and open-minded questions", is it Sent? Those who laugh you out of the room are just more PC fanatics, eh?

You're a paranoid Internet circus freak, freaking out because everyone is out to get you, to 'silence you' (NOT). Jooos, Blacks, Mooooslems, aborigines, Belgians (LOL), Lefties, they're all out to get the Sentinel and silence him (NOT)
.
Funny though how the opprobrium you receive on the Internet really does come from all sides. Shit, that 'PC conspiracy' must be even more multi-tentacled than the Jooooo World Conspiracy. And on 'the case of The Sentinel' also truly bipartisan.

Go join the EDL, you and Paul Ray, now that would be a spectacle to behold.

You're stark raving bonkers.

FJ said...

You don't really need Jews for that...and STILL blaming the Jews... even when they're not around. LOL!

Gert said...

Sent:

The video is from Vlad Tepes, fans of Fjordman. Enough said, I might as well read Robert Spencer and be done with it...

FJ said...

So Gert, your buds are raising a ruckus again. Could you tell them to keep it down?

The Sentinel said...

Oh Gertrude,

Back to all the hysterical trolling, insults and lies you are famous all over the web for?

Your problem is that you ARE an “anti-Semitic Far Right racist” and so many in blogsphere know it, variously describing you as “racist filth”, a “far right crank” and “an anti-Semite” – on top of the disgust at your perverted sexual remarks.


“Ashke-NAZI: sounds like something a lame troll like you would come up with. Not me. My conscience is completely clear on that.”

You said it twice on Harry’s place and had it deleted twice, and you know you did you lying troll. Along with the rest of the taunts, as someone else explained of “(zionazis, zionutzies, etc. etc. ad nauseam).”


“Let them read these threads and see what they still think of you.”

I really hope they do so they can all see what a lying troll you are. There are no anti-Semitic statement in there at all. If there really were you could have given us a few quotes…

But what is self evident is your lies again, you say “Oh, and here he is again, this time on the Protocols....” when it isn’t me on about it, it is you!!! A whole post on it to indulge in your anti-semeitc obsessions by proxy!!!

My comment on it is “I find it very doubtful that such a type of document would ever be produced.”

You lying fuckwit troll!!! You are even useless at trolling!!

Get back to your remarks of “Jewish tits” and linking Nazis to jews!!!


“Or you claiming I must be Jewish (because I 'hang out' on Jewish blogs)?”

Why ARE you so obsessed with Jews? Why in, god's name? For what REASON?


“You're a paranoid Internet circus freak, freaking out because everyone is out to get you, to 'silence you' (NOT). Jooos, Blacks, Mooooslems, aborigines, Belgians (LOL), Lefties, they're all out to get the Sentinel and silence him (NOT)”


That’s it, get it all out you twisted, perverted anti-Semitic little bitch; doesn’t feel as good when you don’t have your little playmates to join in and make you feel like some sort of all powerful bully, though no doubt?

You are the real freak here son, a child sexual abuse fantasing one and one who likes to humiliate Jewish woman by making racist sexual taunts at them.

You need help.


“Go join the EDL, you and Paul Ray, now that would be a spectacle to behold.”

Why are they in Brussels making your Muslims riot? Are they in Gothenburg making the Swedish Muslims riot? Come to think of it, they weren’t even in Luton when they rioted there, or Harrow when they rioted there, or in London earlier this year when they rioted there either.

You are so full of shit it is awe inspiring!!! It really is.

You have no space in reality, all you have is your empty labels, insults and perverted sexual fantasies. And you are all alone with these now as your rabid anti-Semitism alienated all of your little hate buddies and they left you on your own.


“You're stark raving bonkers.”

Yeah, yeah, I know, I explained this last PC resort of yours in detail above.

And don’t forget, sexually abused as a child, don’t forget your favorite graphic fantasies.

You pond life pervet.


So why are your muslims now rioting, like the rest of Europe's Gertrude? Is it wacism?

Gert said...

Sentinel:

I would never use the term 'Ashke-NAZI' (or related). Someone at HP must have been fibbing. I'm not interested in Jews, Jewish sub categories etc etc (I leave that to those like you who are obsessed with 'ethnicity and race'). I'm only interested in Zionism.

But what about your claim (by means of video link) that Jews committed genocide on Christian Armenians, eh Sent?

Go here to my comment of June 12, 2007, 12:55 PM:

Gert said...
Off topic:

Sent's just posted the funniest video, well worth a laugh...
June 12, 2007 12:55 PM

http://truthatsentinel.blogspot.com/2007/06/jewish-genocide-of-armenian-christians_12.html

My link is to your post. Of course we can't actually see the post now that your entire ZERO inbound links blog has been closed off. For your eyes only, eh?

Here he is on the Protocols:

"Why is it, do you think(?), that so many people are prepared to believe it?"

People like you, Sentinel?

"Or it could be that people believe it when they see many elements of transpire in reality; and that they associate Zionists with machination and power lust."

Nice try with the Zionism. There isn't a single anti-Zionist worthy of that term that doesn't know the Protocols are a Russian hoax. Not one. Zionism seeks control of Palestine, not of the world.

"I don't know for sure if it was faked, that certainly seems to be the consensus; it would seem an odd thing to put in writing.

But you are wrong about a minority believing it, it is widely read and believed in east Asia for instance, why?

I said I don't know the truth of it for sure, because I have never bothered to look too far into it. It may well have been an Okhrana forgery, that is one line of thought, but it is also believed by some that although it was faked on paper by them, it was merely the transposition of spied meetings."


Oh, dear, he's not been able to "research it" enough. Mr Google hasn't found too many links that dispute that they're [the Protocols] anything but a hoax. But on anything that might slander the Joooos, we've to keep an open mind about, aren't we Sentinel?

Other bloggers will continue to ridicule you, for as long as you come up with those ridiculous belief systems of yours. It won't just happen here, it's happened elsewhere and will continue to happen.

"So why are your muslims now rioting, like the rest of Europe's Gertrude? Is it wacism?"

You probably didn't actually watch the video of your choice: it says clearly at 3:22 that it's "about a few streets in a few municipalities", yet the title of the video is "Belgium the death of a nation"! This is of course a tactic used by Islamophobes like Robert Spencer, your beloved 'Fjordman', 'The Brussels Journal' and sites like Vlad Tepes Blog: every single incident is 'proof' of the 'Islamification' of Europe ('Eurabia'). Whatever you think of it, it remains a minority view.

Forgive the rest of us for keeping a cooler head. There are problems in some areas with young immigrants, yes. I've never said otherwise. It needs to be seen in perspective (aaah, run away: 'PC lingo!') Most of us aren't willing to treat these cases on anything other than an individual basis, as the law of the land actually requires. You want to change the law of your land? Get politically organised and get voted in or else you'll be treated as insignificant thugs... a bit like that minority of immigrant trouble makers.

The Sentinel said...

And back comes Dirty Gerty the hysterical lying troll with more of his hysterical trolling lies despite having been proved time and time again to be a hysterical lying troll – one who just four days ago proclaimed:


“I've made up my mind last night not only not to read a single syllable of whatever you decide to print here or elsewhere and not to respond to it anymore either…Bye”


And then went and proved what a causal liar he is by doing the complete opposite to what he said within 2 days!!! In fact going one better – gratuitously attacking and trolling me yet again – I had said nothing to him!!!!

What a priceless liar!!!

You want to continue - as someone else who dared to disagree with you put it - “to emulate a feces throwing monkey”?

Fine, lets do it again…


"I would never use the term 'Ashke-NAZI' (or related). Someone at HP must have been fibbing."

No it WAS you; the ID lead back to your blog. You know you it was you racist lying troll.


"I'm not interested in Jews, Jewish sub categories etc etc (I leave that to those like you who are obsessed with 'ethnicity and race')."


Another lie, besides the fact that you spend every wa(n)king moment immersed in everything to do with Jews you also have this to say:

“I agree that Israel must maintain its Jewish character. Some consider that racist but I'm not one of them.”

http://madzionist.blogspot.com/2008/11/olmert-to-release-another-250.html


Clearly you are very interested in race and nationality (as long as its Jewish race and nationality) and think you can grant the same right to Israel that you think you can deny to Europeans.

I call for Britain to retain its British character – I.e. Anglo-Saxon / Celtic - and for that I am a racist, a white supremacist and a Nazi in your twisted, hypocritical mind and cult of a religion.

You are an absurd hypocrite.


“My link is to your post. Of course we can't actually see the post now that your entire ZERO inbound links blog has been closed off. For your eyes only, eh?”

It is closed because I rarely post anymore, have no interest in censorship but will not tolerate incessant death threats made against my family (and me) and the disgusting, twisted and graphic sexual abuse that was being posted – with you highly likely to have been one of the latter posters with Hoffmann-gill being the former.

If I had cause to take any of it seriously, trust me, so would have you.


“Here he is on the Protocols:”

Again, you lying fuckwit troll – it is you on the protocols, it is YOUR post indulging your two of your favorite obsessions: Anti-Semitism and Jews!!!


“"Why is it, do you think(?), that so many people are prepared to believe it?"

People like you, Sentinel?”


You lying fuckwit troll, as already pointed out I actually had this to say:

“I find it very doubtful that such a type of document would ever be produced.”

So clearly not me, you lying fuckwit troll. It was a response to YOUR post of:

“No, seriously, it's disturbing that such an old anti-Semitic hoax like the Protocols of Zion is still being disseminated and read with gusto…There is no lie that's easier to sell than the Big Lie. And "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is one of the biggest lies of modern times. And it continues to be believed”

The Sentinel said...

“Nice try with the Zionism. There isn't a single anti-Zionist worthy of that term that doesn't know the Protocols are a Russian hoax”

You are a bizarre desperate little Belgian tit, you really are.

What does this have to do with anything? – where is all of this anti-Semitism of mine you claim? Is this really the best you can do?

Because - in addition to you having been proved that you are the real twisted racist who likes to humiliate Hebrew women with racist sexual insults - as you will see, I will post another small selection of the MANY reactions to YOUR real rabid anti-Semitism shortly.


“Oh, dear, he's not been able to "research it" enough. Mr Google”

Or maybe it’s because I am not a Jew obsessed anti-Semitic crank like you Gertrude and had no cause to look into it before. Why, in all reality, would I?


“Other bloggers will continue to ridicule you”

Like BEAJ who you like linking to? And his “paranoid Internet circus freak” that you keep invoking? The one that clearly he thinks you belong on?

Even he has got your number as an anti-Semite and “a twisted demented individual” – belonging to the “paranoid Internet circus freak” in his parlance – and he calls you out on it right here, on this blog, you stupid lying fuckwit troll!!!!


“Wow Gert. Thanks for telling me what I'm all about. You haven't a clue.

I notice that comments on your blog have gone south since you showed your viewers that you finally lost your sense of fairness and decency. And you have lost all but your lunatic fringe faithful…

You've lost it Gert. I'm surprised News From the West or David Duke hasn't taken any of your material yet.”



“Gert, you are a twisted demented individual.

As for me lying. Pulease, show my one lie. Just one.

And no need to complain to anyone. You aren't important.”

http://advant.blogspot.com/2009/01/fmr-clinton-special-counsel-lanny-davis.html


So here it is again for everyone to see: You really are a demented lying fuckwit troll utterly unable to back up your empty labels and insults and even unable to get a third party to dunk me in shit who hasn’t already thoroughly dunked you in shit!!!!

Priceless!!!

The difference is I have never claimed to be a PC High Priest, in fact I am the anti-thesis of PC and fully expect such baseless shit thrown at me – what’s your excuse?

The Sentinel said...

And so lets have a look at another small selection of what people on the web think of Gert’s rabid anti-Semitism in just ONE thread:


“It is pretty disgusting that a racist like Gert has to bring up Munich and the massacre of eleven Israeli, civilians in 1972, to make a snide comment unrelated to the actual post.”


“Gert - why don’t you just fuck off back to the bunker with Ronstadt and HB? I’m sure the SS will be along in a few minutes to save you from the Red Army.”


“don’t kid yourself, racists like Gert don’t really want a solution in the Middle East, they feed off of the bloodshed and violence, it gives their lives meaning and something to shout about.”


“Someone whom, like Gert, his comrades and their Islamist Lunatic mates didn’t like Jews.”


“The blood will be on your hands Gert, you and your lefty antisemites…”


“People of the ‘Gert’ type level of fanatical insanity are genuinely incapable of reasoned thought, have a read of the comments over at ‘Lenin’s tomb’, if you can bear it that is, these people really, really think they are the good guys, the fact that most of the comments express the same views (that can be found, quite easily, If you bother to look that is) in Der Strummer in 1930s germany really, really does not compute with these people.”


“Has anyone called Gert a disgrace yet?”


“Gert on another lunatic anti-Semitic dribble:

“If I were Palestinian I would be against recognition of a state that conducted a Naqba against my people”

You really couldn’t make it up, could you?”


http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/05/20/so-was-77-a-revenge-attack-for-iraq/


And there is much, much more of that all over the web…

The Sentinel said...

And here is Gert the troll in action; this time the ostensibly grown man is secretly emailing his online “friends” - aka know as fellow hate trolls – to orchestrate an organized orgy of abuse, filth, taunts and hate on my blog.

Note the pathetic Walter Mitty terminology used like “FYE” and the self acknowledged disgusting underhanded tactics employed by the implored “Please don't publish” – well he made a mistake with this one as it was sent to BEAJ who already had his number and published it anyway for all to see Gert the troll in all his nasty little glory!!!


This comment is not for publication but FYE only. Please don't publish.

Bacon Eating Atheist Jew:

Me and some rightwing American friends are planning a raid on Sentinel's blog, nothing illegal or destructive, just some intellectual firepower, nothing more.

You have been invited by our band of pirates to join our effort in going after this anti-Semitic, racist pig..

If you're interested in joining the fray, contact me on gert_meyers@msn.com and I'll clue you up on the details.

Have a good day.

Gert.”


http://baconeatingatheistjew.blogspot.com/2007/03/young-earth-creationists-yecs-are.html


But Gert did manage to succeed in getting the most hate filled and depraved bunch online to barrage me with non-stop filth, vile sexual abuse, general vile abuse, insults, racist taunts and attempts to silence my opinions and shut me up on my own blog with Gert as the most enthusiastic ring leader; until all of them abandoned him due to his unchecked anti-semetism and he had to continue alone.


And then recently resorting to posting the vile, twisted sexual abuse with the ID of anonymous.


You need help Gert, you really do – none of this is the behavior of normal healthy man who has a daughter – for her sake seek help.

The Sentinel said...

“You probably didn't actually watch the video of your choice: it says clearly at 3:22 that it's "about a few streets in a few municipalities"

A few streets in a few MUSLIM municipalities you fuckwit, the MUSLIM quarters – and enough streets and enough rioters to have had 42 arrested in one night after an organized ambush on the police!!


“every single incident is 'proof' of the 'Islamification' of Europe”

I have already comprehensively proved that the same violence using the same tactics is happening all over Europe and even Australia.

This is just the start – these Muslims are still a minority and look at the problems we have already; it is growing worse and worse year by year.


“Forgive the rest of us for keeping a cooler head.”

There you go again with your favorite tactic of “we” – you are a PC cultist you do not speak for real people.


“You want to change the law of your land? Get politically organised and get voted in or else you'll be treated as insignificant thugs”

And get called a racist, a white supremacist and a Nazi for it by foreign fuckwits like you, eh?


“The video is from Vlad Tepes, fans of Fjordman.”

Not it is not you lying fuckwit troll: It is a news report from a Belgian MSM network merely translated into English by owner of said blog; funnily enough every image is just as real, every word just as valid.

It wouldn’t have mattered if Osama Bin Laden had translated it, the news report would still be the same and from a Belgian MSM network– it would not have been from or by Osama Bin Laden!!!

That pathetic and see through tactic is another first and last resort of your cult.

And as the Muslim trouble now spreads to Tensta, Stockholm – with not a peep from non-Scandinavian MSM – another bravely honest report from a national network (NRK) about the dire situation in Sweden emerges from another country, its Norwegian neighbour.

The plight of the fire men being ambushed and attacked is the main focus but it also highlights the plight of the police and ordinary Swedes.

The attitude of the immigrant Muslims can be gauged immediately by the threats to the camera crew, the writing on the wall “To kill a policemen is to enter paradise” and the bold statement that the Muslim violence is the polices own fault because they “play allah” i.e do their job, expanding further “They shall not come here and try to decide; here we are deciding they can deicide over their own” – that’s right, it’s the Swedish polices fault that these Muslim immigrants are violent criminals because they have the quant notion that they are actually real police with jurisdiction in their own country!!

Again, translated into English by some concerned citizens:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt77xc8ESkE&feature=player_embedded#t=417


This report (again from outside Sweden) graphically illustrates the problem the police face:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diw5SneythM


A small piece on the latest trouble:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK1jfVdDeiY&feature=player_embedded#t=26


And this sets the background to it all up:


http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/556299.aspx

Gert said...

What about the 'genocide of Armenian Christians committed by Joooos', Sentinel?

What about it, eh?

You retard...

The Sentinel said...

And back comes Dirty Gerty the hysterical lying troll with more of his hysterical trolling lies despite having been proved time and time again to be a hysterical lying troll – one who just four days ago proclaimed:


“I've made up my mind last night not only not to read a single syllable of whatever you decide to print here or elsewhere and not to respond to it anymore either…Bye”


And then went and proved what a causal liar he is by doing the complete opposite to what he said within 2 days!!! In fact going one better – gratuitously attacking and trolling me yet again – I had said nothing to him!!!!

What a priceless liar!!!

You want to continue - as someone else who dared to disagree with you put it - “to emulate a feces throwing monkey”?

Fine, lets do it again…


"I would never use the term 'Ashke-NAZI' (or related). Someone at HP must have been fibbing."

No it WAS you; the ID lead back to your blog. You know you it was you racist lying troll.


"I'm not interested in Jews, Jewish sub categories etc etc (I leave that to those like you who are obsessed with 'ethnicity and race')."


Another lie, besides the fact that you spend every wa(n)king moment immersed in everything to do with Jews you also have this to say:

“I agree that Israel must maintain its Jewish character. Some consider that racist but I'm not one of them.”

http://madzionist.blogspot.com/2008/11/olmert-to-release-another-250.html


Clearly you are very interested in race and nationality (as long as its Jewish race and nationality) and think you can grant the same right to Israel that you think you can deny to Europeans.

I call for Britain to retain its British character – I.e. Anglo-Saxon / Celtic - and for that I am a racist, a white supremacist and a Nazi in your twisted, hypocritical mind and cult of a religion.

You are an absurd hypocrite.


“My link is to your post. Of course we can't actually see the post now that your entire ZERO inbound links blog has been closed off. For your eyes only, eh?”

It is closed because I rarely post anymore, have no interest in censorship but will not tolerate incessant death threats made against my family (and me) and the disgusting, twisted and graphic sexual abuse that was being posted – with you highly likely to have been one of the latter posters with Hoffmann-gill being the former.

If I had cause to take any of it seriously, trust me, so would have you.


“Here he is on the Protocols:”

Again, you lying fuckwit troll – it is you on the protocols, it is YOUR post indulging your two of your favorite obsessions: Anti-Semitism and Jews!!!


“"Why is it, do you think(?), that so many people are prepared to believe it?"

People like you, Sentinel?”


You lying fuckwit troll, as already pointed out I actually had this to say:

“I find it very doubtful that such a type of document would ever be produced.”

So clearly not me, you lying fuckwit troll. It was a response to YOUR post of:

“No, seriously, it's disturbing that such an old anti-Semitic hoax like the Protocols of Zion is still being disseminated and read with gusto…There is no lie that's easier to sell than the Big Lie. And "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is one of the biggest lies of modern times. And it continues to be believed”

The Sentinel said...

“Nice try with the Zionism. There isn't a single anti-Zionist worthy of that term that doesn't know the Protocols are a Russian hoax”

You are a bizarre desperate little Belgian tit, you really are.

What does this have to do with anything? – where is all of this anti-Semitism of mine you claim? Is this really the best you can do?

Because - in addition to you having been proved that you are the real twisted racist who likes to humiliate Hebrew women with racist sexual insults - as you will see, I will post another small selection of the MANY reactions to YOUR real rabid anti-Semitism shortly.


“Oh, dear, he's not been able to "research it" enough. Mr Google”

Or maybe it’s because I am not a Jew obsessed anti-Semitic crank like you Gertrude and had no cause to look into it before. Why, in all reality, would I?


“Other bloggers will continue to ridicule you”

Like BEAJ who you like linking to? And his “paranoid Internet circus freak” that you keep invoking? The one that clearly he thinks you belong on?

Even he has got your number as an anti-Semite and “a twisted demented individual” – belonging to the “paranoid Internet circus freak” in his parlance – and he calls you out on it right here, on this blog, you stupid lying fuckwit troll!!!!


“Wow Gert. Thanks for telling me what I'm all about. You haven't a clue.

I notice that comments on your blog have gone south since you showed your viewers that you finally lost your sense of fairness and decency. And you have lost all but your lunatic fringe faithful…

You've lost it Gert. I'm surprised News From the West or David Duke hasn't taken any of your material yet.”



“Gert, you are a twisted demented individual.

As for me lying. Pulease, show my one lie. Just one.

And no need to complain to anyone. You aren't important.”

http://advant.blogspot.com/2009/01/fmr-clinton-special-counsel-lanny-davis.html


So here it is again for everyone to see: You really are a demented lying fuckwit troll utterly unable to back up your empty labels and insults and even unable to get a third party to dunk me in shit who hasn’t already thoroughly dunked you in shit!!!!

Priceless!!!

The difference is I have never claimed to be a PC High Priest, in fact I am the anti-thesis of PC and fully expect such baseless shit thrown at me – what’s your excuse?

The Sentinel said...

And here is Gert the troll in action; this time the ostensibly grown man is secretly emailing his online “friends” - aka know as fellow hate trolls – to orchestrate an organized orgy of abuse, filth, taunts and hate on my blog.

Note the pathetic Walter Mitty terminology used like “FYE” and the self acknowledged disgusting underhanded tactics employed by the implored “Please don't publish” – well he made a mistake with this one as it was sent to BEAJ who already had his number and published it anyway for all to see Gert the troll in all his nasty little glory!!!


This comment is not for publication but FYE only. Please don't publish.

Bacon Eating Atheist Jew:

Me and some rightwing American friends are planning a raid on Sentinel's blog, nothing illegal or destructive, just some intellectual firepower, nothing more.

You have been invited by our band of pirates to join our effort in going after this anti-Semitic, racist pig..

If you're interested in joining the fray, contact me on gert_meyers@msn.com and I'll clue you up on the details.

Have a good day.

Gert.”


http://baconeatingatheistjew.blogspot.com/2007/03/young-earth-creationists-yecs-are.html


But Gert did manage to succeed in getting the most hate filled and depraved bunch online to barrage me with non-stop filth, vile sexual abuse, general vile abuse, insults, racist taunts and attempts to silence my opinions and shut me up on my own blog with Gert as the most enthusiastic ring leader; until all of them abandoned him due to his unchecked anti-semetism and he had to continue alone.


And then recently resorting to posting the vile, twisted sexual abuse with the ID of anonymous.


You need help Gert, you really do – none of this is the behavior of normal healthy man who has a daughter – for her sake seek help.

The Sentinel said...

What of all that, you demented, perverted, twisted lying fuckwit troll?

Gert said...

Sent:

"what’s your excuse?"

Zionists call anti-Zionists anti-Semites and worse besides that on a regular basis.

What's your excuse for publishing a YouTube video claiming 'Jooos committed genocide of Christian Armenians'?

What's your excuse for believing I'm Jewish?

What's the excuse of retard non-scientist crackpot for believing Einstein was a plagiarist? Or that 'Jooos are Khazars'?

What's your excuse for believing that the Protocols may not be a hoax?

What's your excuse for being considered an anti-Semitic racist pig by both Zionists AND anti-Zionists?

While I NEVER call anyone a NAZI (not you either), what's your excuse for calling anti-racists 'PC fascists'?

What's your excuse for being so sensitive about ad hom? You believe you're the only one to suffer it? You don't use it?

Retard...

The Sentinel said...

You really are desperate to get another comment in - any comment - in yet another pathetic see-through attempt to detract away from the posts above and the reams of evidence (yet again) in them that prove what I have said all along:

You are a liar. You are a hypocrite. You are a troll. You are an anti-Semite. You are sexually perverted. You are demented. Every one you come across knows it and says so.

And you are quite unable – for obvious reasons – to address any of it.

And so in last ditch desperation – in true fanatical, demented form – you dredge up all of your useless old crap that has already been addressed and dispelled.

Do you really not think that people can clearly see the kind of demented lying troll you are when 4 days ago you post this hysterical swan song:


“I've made up my mind last night not only not to read a single syllable of whatever you decide to print here or elsewhere and not to respond to it anymore either…Bye”


And then within two days completely disregard it and gratuitously attack me in response to a comment by FJ???!!!


OK, one more time, I will brush away your desperate rubbish you lying fuckwit troll:


“Zionists call anti-Zionists anti-Semites and worse besides that on a regular basis.”


You have been thoroughly reviled as hate-filed anti-Semitic crank troll by dozens, if not hundreds online, by Zionists and non Zionists, by Jews and gentiles alike.


And they are not wrong.


“What's your excuse for publishing a YouTube video claiming 'Jooos committed genocide of Christian Armenians'?”

I don’t need any “excuse” to post anything I find interesting on my own blog you troll fuckwit – what’s your excuse for humiliating a Jewish woman with racist sexual insults? For linking Jews to Nazi’s – the “new herrenvolk”, for mocking Jews, Israel and the holocaust with a post on “Ze Ultimate Solushion”?

Face it – your games up. Everyone who has read any of the posts of this kind can see what a demented ant-Semitic crank troll you; you have been fully exposed.

Whereas all you think you have on me is one poxy video posted on my blog that I clearly stated at the time was interesting but that I didn’t agree with everything in it!!

Like I said, part of your Jew obsession and your PC crank cult demands that you and you alone decides who can ever mention Jews in any context. The video was about the Young Turks, who they were, their machinations and their part in the Armenian genocide – yes there have been other genocides.

This is one is OK to “deny” or “revise” though, there are no laws against that.

There was another holocaust 10 years before the Jewish holocaust, one that was of even greater magnitude.

Its fine to “deny” and “revise” that one too – there are no laws against that either.

I doubt you have ever heard of it though – very few have - and I doubt you even give a flying fuck because it doesn’t involve your all absorbing obsession of Jews.


“What's your excuse for believing I'm Jewish?”

Many people have thought it because it no one can believe someone who isn’t can be so utterly, utterly obsessed with Jews.


Nothing anti-Semitic here.

The Sentinel said...

“What's the excuse of retard non-scientist crackpot for believing Einstein was a plagiarist?”

Already dealt with in this thread you lying troll fuckwit, it was all over the MSM; in the NYT for instance:

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/18/science/findings-back-einstein-in-a-plagiarism-dispute.html


“Or that 'Jooos are Khazars'?”

Already dealt with in this thread you lying troll fuckwit, it is debated on all levels, including science:


"A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to R-M17, the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews


“What's your excuse for believing that the Protocols may not be a hoax?”

Already dealt with in this thread, twice, you lying fuckwit troll:

My actual comment:


“I find it very doubtful that such a type of document would ever be produced.”


“What's your excuse for being considered an anti-Semitic racist pig by both Zionists AND anti-Zionists?”

Already dealt with you lying troll fuckwit (and the “anti-Semitic racist pig” bit is what you used in your trolling incitement emails that BEAJ outed, exposing you for the demented underhanded troll you are!!)

“The difference is I have never claimed to be a PC High Priest, in fact I am the anti-thesis of PC and fully expect such baseless shit thrown at me – what’s your excuse?”


“While I NEVER call anyone a NAZI (not you either), what's your excuse for calling anti-racists 'PC fascists'?”

Yes you have, yes you do and you are not an anti-racist – you ARE a racist!!! An anti-Semite!!! Of legendary proportions!!


“What's your excuse for being so sensitive about ad hom? You believe you're the only one to suffer it? You don't use it?”

Normal people don’t like the nasty, underhanded spiteful hate-filled games you play Gertude, they despise them and the people that play them - and as we shall see in another small selection of online reactions to you, many, many people have called you out on it.


Now, I have fully answered you baseless, substance less crap once more, be a man, grow some balls, stop being a taker for just one minute and address all of the evidenced charges put to you in the last posts with as much honesty as I do to your crap.

You may as well troll, because having now fully covered all of your shit once more and now no more, I am going to just keep posting it until you do and more selections of how dozens, if not hundreds of people online have got your number as an anti-Semite, a troll, a crank and a pervert….

Gert said...

Sent:

The question is not answered by repeating the same half-baked 'evidence', Sentislime.

The question is WHY you're so interested in these lies regarding these anti-Semitic things you present as 'truth'?

And so, just to accommodate your reading difficulties, I'll rephrase:


WHY do you publish a YouTube video claiming 'Jooos committed genocide of Christian Armenians'?

WHY do you believe I'm Jewish?

WHY does a retard non-scientist crackpot believe Einstein was a plagiarist? Or that 'Jooos are Khazars'?

WHY do you believe that the Protocols may not be a hoax?

WHY are you being considered an anti-Semitic racist pig by both Zionists AND anti-Zionists?

While I NEVER call anyone a NAZI (not you either), WHY do you call anti-racists 'PC fascists'?

WHY are you for being so sensitive about ad hom? You believe you're the only one to suffer it? You don't use it?

Mental midget...

As regards your vision for Britain: you're a loner in a crowd that doesn't even really notice you. It's a minority view.

The Sentinel said...

Ha Ha Ha!!!

Here we go, all the way down. I knew it would have to come down to this level, it always does with you, you demented lying fuckwit troll.

Face it, you have been fully exposed as I what I said you were all along:

You are a liar. You are a hypocrite. You are a troll. You are an anti-Semite. You are sexually perverted. You are demented. Every one you come across knows it and says so.

And now you are writhering in hysterical anger, blind hatred at having got exactly what you pushed for!!

I have answered all of you shit in full twice as everyone can see, and now, again, as everyone can see, you are completely unable to answer any of the fully evidenced charges against you!!!

Oh well, its all out in the open now Gertrude, all of you disgusting little secrets!!

Choke on it you troll!!!

Like I said, untill you answer the charges, I will just keep posting posting it until you do and more selections of how dozens, if not hundreds of people online have got your number as an anti-Semite, a troll, a crank and a pervert….

You will not have the last word troll, and you will not bury all of the charges against you....

The Sentinel said...

You really are desperate to get another comment in - any comment - in yet another pathetic see-through attempt to detract away from the posts above and the reams of evidence (yet again) in them that prove what I have said all along:

You are a liar. You are a hypocrite. You are a troll. You are an anti-Semite. You are sexually perverted. You are demented. Every one you come across knows it and says so.

And you are quite unable – for obvious reasons – to address any of it.

And so in last ditch desperation – in true fanatical, demented form – you dredge up all of your useless old crap that has already been addressed and dispelled.

Do you really not think that people can clearly see the kind of demented lying troll you are when 4 days ago you post this hysterical swan song:


“I've made up my mind last night not only not to read a single syllable of whatever you decide to print here or elsewhere and not to respond to it anymore either…Bye”


And then within two days completely disregard it and gratuitously attack me in response to a comment by FJ???!!!


OK, one more time, I will brush away your desperate rubbish you lying fuckwit troll:


“Zionists call anti-Zionists anti-Semites and worse besides that on a regular basis.”


You have been thoroughly reviled as hate-filed anti-Semitic crank troll by dozens, if not hundreds online, by Zionists and non Zionists, by Jews and gentiles alike.


And they are not wrong.


“What's your excuse for publishing a YouTube video claiming 'Jooos committed genocide of Christian Armenians'?”

I don’t need any “excuse” to post anything I find interesting on my own blog you troll fuckwit – what’s your excuse for humiliating a Jewish woman with racist sexual insults? For linking Jews to Nazi’s – the “new herrenvolk”, for mocking Jews, Israel and the holocaust with a post on “Ze Ultimate Solushion”?

Face it – your games up. Everyone who has read any of the posts of this kind can see what a demented ant-Semitic crank troll you; you have been fully exposed.

Whereas all you think you have on me is one poxy video posted on my blog that I clearly stated at the time was interesting but that I didn’t agree with everything in it!!

Like I said, part of your Jew obsession and your PC crank cult demands that you and you alone decides who can ever mention Jews in any context. The video was about the Young Turks, who they were, their machinations and their part in the Armenian genocide – yes there have been other genocides.

This is one is OK to “deny” or “revise” though, there are no laws against that.

There was another holocaust 10 years before the Jewish holocaust, one that was of even greater magnitude.

Its fine to “deny” and “revise” that one too – there are no laws against that either.

I doubt you have ever heard of it though – very few have - and I doubt you even give a flying fuck because it doesn’t involve your all absorbing obsession of Jews.


“What's your excuse for believing I'm Jewish?”

Many people have thought it because it no one can believe someone who isn’t can be so utterly, utterly obsessed with Jews.


Nothing anti-Semitic here.

The Sentinel said...

“What's the excuse of retard non-scientist crackpot for believing Einstein was a plagiarist?”

Already dealt with in this thread you lying troll fuckwit, it was all over the MSM; in the NYT for instance:

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/18/science/findings-back-einstein-in-a-plagiarism-dispute.html


“Or that 'Jooos are Khazars'?”

Already dealt with in this thread you lying troll fuckwit, it is debated on all levels, including science:


"A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to R-M17, the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews


“What's your excuse for believing that the Protocols may not be a hoax?”

Already dealt with in this thread, twice, you lying fuckwit troll:

My actual comment:


“I find it very doubtful that such a type of document would ever be produced.”


“What's your excuse for being considered an anti-Semitic racist pig by both Zionists AND anti-Zionists?”

Already dealt with you lying troll fuckwit (and the “anti-Semitic racist pig” bit is what you used in your trolling incitement emails that BEAJ outed, exposing you for the demented underhanded troll you are!!)

“The difference is I have never claimed to be a PC High Priest, in fact I am the anti-thesis of PC and fully expect such baseless shit thrown at me – what’s your excuse?”


“While I NEVER call anyone a NAZI (not you either), what's your excuse for calling anti-racists 'PC fascists'?”

Yes you have, yes you do and you are not an anti-racist – you ARE a racist!!! An anti-Semite!!! Of legendary proportions!!


“What's your excuse for being so sensitive about ad hom? You believe you're the only one to suffer it? You don't use it?”

Normal people don’t like the nasty, underhanded spiteful hate-filled games you play Gertude, they despise them and the people that play them - and as we shall see in another small selection of online reactions to you, many, many people have called you out on it.


Now, I have fully answered you baseless, substance less crap once more, be a man, grow some balls, stop being a taker for just one minute and address all of the evidenced charges put to you in the last posts with as much honesty as I do to your crap.

You may as well troll, because having now fully covered all of your shit once more and now no more, I am going to just keep posting it until you do and more selections of how dozens, if not hundreds of people online have got your number as an anti-Semite, a troll, a crank and a pervert….

The Sentinel said...

Another small selection of the disgust, appalled and angry reaction to Gert's virualnt anti-semtism in yet ONE more thread:


"Gert…

The Jew-hatred there is quite open; in comparison to it, “Herrenvolk” and other epithets here are quite tame.”



“Yes, Gert, we know what Herrenvolk means, and we expect no less from you than to use Nazi terminology. People who live in the sewer use the language of the sewer. ‘Twas ever thus with anti-Semites.

At least your mates in the Third Reich used the phrase “Go BACK to Palestine”, which makes sense. Your refusal to accept the fact that the Jews are indigenous to the Middle East means that you are dumber than the average SS conscript.”



“Hmm, Gert. By “New Herrenvolk”, you didn’t mean “New Afrikaners”. You didn’t mean “New Ulster”. You could have written any of these.

You wrote “New Herrenvolk”, and you meant by it there, as you did here, the “New German National Socialists”, the New Nazis.

Just as you meant “New Nazis” in this extraordinary piece (it has to be read to be believed someone could actually write it):

“Ze Ultimate Solushion…”



“Dear Gert,

the idea that such a piece is either fine or a satire is itself a piece of satire, albeit unintended.

None of which changes the fact that by New Herrenvolk you meant New Nazis.

I’d lay of the histories of the wehrmacht, if I were you.”



“This thread shows why precisely this defence is wrong. It is enough to read the stuff coming from all the defenders of “Seven Jewish Children”, from the bogus intellectuality of Anthony Lerman all the way to the proto-Nazi bilge of Gert…”


http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/05/07/%E2%80%9Cseven-jewish-children%E2%80%9D-an-incitement-to-hatred/

Gert said...

Sentinel:

Sent, Sent, Sent, you'll never get it, will you?

Why do you think you are listed as a "Mentally Ill Hypocrite from Britain" in the gallery of JOOOO PARANOID IMBECILES INTERNET CIRCUS FREAKS?

Because you buy into any old anti-Jewish conspiracy theory going.

From the Protocols possibly not being a hoax (what kind of an imbecile are you???), to Einstein's "plagiarism", Joooos being responsible for the genocide of Armenian Christians (a piece of bull crap posited by a Turkish anti-Semite - and we sure know the Turks have difficulty accepting their role as genocidaires), the conspiracy theory surrounding the USS Liberty (gets a special feature position on your blog), publishing lists of prominent Joooos in the US media, the belief that the ADL is a proxy for the Mossad and last but not least you're also a 9/11 Truther.

Let's ignore the fact that you by your own admission flirted with National Socialism and were engaged to the German grandchild of people who took part in the Holocoast (even though you're a Holohoax revisionist), shall we?

You then act surprised that many find your views unpalatable, to say the least, and those who oppose you get called 'PC fascists' who are out to 'silence you'. YOU SHOULD LEARN TO ACCEPT THAT NOT EVERYONE WILL BE ENTHRALLED BY YOUR WHACKJOB VIEWS AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.


"The truth is that you not equipped to debate with the likes of fjordman or I. He would run rings around your silly shallow contentions and angry rants, as I have."

The truth is that you have difficulty stringing two decent sentences together, as does your friend Fjordie. Just like him you're a self-aggrandizing idiot, paranoid to the brim and someone who buys into any conspiracy theory going. You have no historical perspective whatsoever and neither does Fjordie. A few factoids here, a bit of fabrication there, revive an old croc and hooops, you've got a new theory. Your worldview is a pot-pourri of factoids, loosely bound together by a nonsensical narrative.

You once flirted with National Socialism and it's proving a habit that's hard to break.

Your Little White Inge-land will never happen. You'll die trying... You sad git.

You're an anti-Semite, a Holocaust revisionist, a racist and a homophobe. All you've got is blaming "political correctness". Stand up and be a man and accept your convictions, instead of hiding behind something like PC which isn't even that important.

I couldn't give a crap that you consider my critiquing of you as nothing but insults. I don't talk to Flat-Earthers either. Scorn, insults, tar and feathers is all that you deserve...

As regards your "growing numbers", the likes of you, politically speaking, couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery. Toothless and clawless blowhard imbeciles that will occasionally resort to violent thuggery, that's all you might ever achieve...
June 6, 2007 2:19 AM

Gert said...

Here you are again, this time on a blog that aptly compares you to David Icke.

And here's another blogger who's thoroughly had enough of you.

And here's a blogger (Shlemazl) who's pissed off with me for even giving you the time of day:

Gert,

This is none of my business, but... Can I just ask why would you comment on Sentinel's blog? The man is a Nazi and he clearly gets off on trying to abuse Jews.

Without you and a couple of other masochistic Jews (like myself) he would have 0 comments. He would be left to enjoy his own poison. Don't you think it's quite an appealing scenario?

And here's BEAJ neatly summing you up on Evolution:

"Two white supremacist bloggers that I've come across recently, The Sentinel and Chris Womak from Politically Correct Apostate, are scared to death that WHITEY shares the same common ancestor as the Boys From Da Hood.

The Sentinel often comments that "nobody knows for sure," when drilled about how Europeans came into existence. I think he thinks that WHITEY either came from special white primates or they were specially created. His "not sure" stance allows him to keep his head in the sand."

Gert said...

Oh and BTW, try and get this trough your super-thick skull as well: what various assortments of Zionist racists like Mad Zionist or Harry's Place think of me rather leaves me stone-cold. Racist transferrist imbeciles who call anyone Nazi or fascist? They should feel free. You should get along fine with them...

There are plenty Zionists with whom reasonable discussion is perfectly possible. Not though Harry's Place or some of the other fanatical racists.

The Sentinel said...

Dirty Gerty and his lying troll circus is back in town - all without a single scrap of evidence of my supposed anti-Semitism; in fact, as always, without a single scrap of evidence for any of his claims - new or old.

Just more unconcealed hysterical anger and unbridled hate from Herr Oberstumbanngerty having been thoroughly exposed as:

A liar. A hypocrite. A troll. An anti-Semite. A sexual pervert. Completely Demented. And every one he comes across knows it and says so.

He just doesn’t get it when people have his number and thoroughly revile him as an anti-Semite for humiliating Jewish women with racist sexual insults, for linking Jews to Nazi’s – the “new herrenvolk”, for mocking Jews, Israel and the holocaust with a post on “Ze Ultimate Solushion” – amongst many other things.

And so all we have are just more desperate attempts at third party shit dunking from people that have already thoroughly dunked him in shit!!! And despite the fact that he claims to KNOW I am an anti-semite on at least his grand scale he should already know where to look to get reams of evidence, as I have, and I have come up with reams just so far – but alas, no.

All of his desperate googling has resulted in a very meager find, he couldn’t even find a “band of pirates” to join in, as when he tried to secretly email his hate buddies to organize what he loves best: Concerted attacks of blog trolling, you know, just abuse, vile sexual abuse, general vile abuse, insults, racist taunts – until BEAJ outed him that is by publishing the insanely bizarre incitement to troll.

He also tries to use BEAJ as some sort of authority on who belongs to a "JOOOO PARANOID IMBECILES INTERNET CIRCUS FREAKS" and also tires to link me to David Duke - for lack of any others - when this stupid, stupid lying fuckwit troll already knows that BEAJ has linked him to both on this very blog!!!


“Wow Gert. Thanks for telling me what I'm all about. You haven't a clue.

I notice that comments on your blog have gone south since you showed your viewers that you finally lost your sense of fairness and decency. And you have lost all but your lunatic fringe faithful…

You've lost it Gert. I'm surprised News From the West or David Duke hasn't taken any of your material yet.”


“Gert, you are a twisted demented individual.

As for me lying. Pulease, show my one lie. Just one.

And no need to complain to anyone. You aren't important.”

http://advant.blogspot.com/2009/01/fmr-clinton-special-counsel-lanny-davis.html


Thats right Gert - your own source that is meant to throw shit at me thinks you are "a twisted demented individual"!!!!

And he is "surprised...David Duke hasn't taken any of your material yet"!!!

What a fantastic fuckwit you are Gert!!!!

And this is the trolling message from Gert that BEAJ outed, it bears all the hallmarks of a certifiable nutjob for just writing it and sending it to dozens let alone the Walther Mitty terminology of “FYE only” and “You have been invited by our band of pirates.”

You just couldn’t make stuff this crazy up!!!

Priceless!


This comment is not for publication but FYE only. Please don't publish.

Bacon Eating Atheist Jew:

Me and some rightwing American friends are planning a raid on Sentinel's blog, nothing illegal or destructive, just some intellectual firepower, nothing more.

You have been invited by our band of pirates to join our effort in going after this anti-Semitic, racist pig..

If you're interested in joining the fray, contact me on gert_meyers@msn.com and I'll clue you up on the details.

Have a good day.

Gert.”


So how many other blogs did you not only troll – that would be hundreds – but you you took it upon yourself to organize the trolling as a ringleader, eh Gert?

How many other “band of pirates” did you incite to attack others Gert?

Before they all saw through you and your racist hate that is, and left to troll on your own…

The Sentinel said...

Shlemazl?

A total arsehat who Gert the lying fuckwit troll himself describes as thus:

“The guy's confrontational blowhard.”

Because he and Gert had had many, many words before and Gert just knows some of the choice things Shlemazl has to say about him, now don’t you Gerty…

And as for the first link Gert might have really enjoyed reading the actual comments contained within when Gert found it through goggle because they contain the things he loves best: Incessant filth, smears and claims of childhood sexual abuse – a lot of them by his fellow extremist pervert Larry Gambone, who is now clearly embarrassed and ashamed of it – that is how I first come across yet another twisted extremist like you Gertrude and I have referred to this car crash many times on this blog – thanks for finding it and linking to it Gert, it very much proves my point about what a depraved, perverted, idiotic, underhanded fascist bunch you lot are.


So all in all, well done again Gert – not only have you repeated the same baseless claims again, you know, the ones that have already been answered twice – but it has backfired once again and you have made yourself look like the total Belgian tit you are!!!!

Now lets get back to the hundreds of people who have got your number Gert as an anti-semite, a troll and a liar.

But I think we should lighten the mood a bit and show how, in yet more absurdly hypocritical words of yours “Other bloggers will continue to ridicule you, for as long as you come up with those ridiculous belief systems of yours” – in this small selection a regular character called “Gert’s Daughter” takes up the ridicule of Gerts insidious anti-Semitic “belief system” and mocks Gert thoroughly…

The Sentinel said...

“My father used to be normal. Now all he does is go on about hating Jews. He supports anyone who suggests killing them. I’m so ashamed of him.”

“I strongly advise against interacting directly with Gert. It is my professional opinion that he’s a fucking lunatic.”

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/04/07/promoting-violent-extremism/



“My dad enjoys it when the Iranians execute young women, even though sometimes they’re only a bit older than me. I can’t figure him out, he says all that matters in life is anti-imperialism and ‘defeating the Jew’.

I’m so ashamed of him. No wonder mum left.”

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/05/02/george-galloway-is-a-scab/



“My dad is at his keyboard shaking and foaming at the mouth. It’s pretty bad. At first I thought some of you people had made him angry again, but then I realised it was because his Images of the Holocaust screensaver was broken.

He makes me so ashamed.”

“Why would a 48 year old man spend his days dredging up bizarre internet material to strengthen his Jew hatred and encourage others it? My father is truly disgusting.

No wonder mum left.”



“But dad, all you ever do is ‘rustle up’ stuff for me. From those ‘anti-Zionist’ sites you stare at all day. The ones with the big fonts, strange symbols and old pictures of bodies.

You said yourself that you’ll only be truly happy when you ‘get a Jew to pay’ for ‘all those Palestinian babies’. Any Jew you said, anywhere. Then you looked strange and wept, because you didn’t have the courage to do such a thing yourself. You said you were ashamed. But not as much as I was.”

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/06/01/a-long-way-from-texas/


And there are dozens more of these gems of ridicule of Gert and his anti-Semitic "belief system" from "Gerts Daughter"...

Not only is Gert a figure of hate, he is also a figure of fun!!!

Gert said...

And here our resident imbecile insists Sarkozy is a Jew...

The Sentinel said...

And as per usual, with Gert the hysterical lying troll fuckwit, he fails to read the comments that he thinks are ammuntion and so fails to see, that it is not me that says Sarkozy is a Jewish Zionist but Sarkozy himself and the Jewish Press!!!

What a stupid, stupid, hysterical hate-filled lying troll fuckwit you are, Herr Obersturmbangertrude!!!!

And back to the figure of fun that Gert is (as well as the figure of hate) with more ridicule of Gerts anti-Semitic "belief system" and more mocking of Gert himself from "Gerts Daughter"..."

The Sentinel said...

“Mr Irie was round here in a terrible state last night. He said ‘the Jews had taken life’s purpose away’ from him. I think dad was annoyed with him. He called Irie a coward and gave him a beating. He’s in the basement now and I can hear him whimpering.”



“I’m OK Alec, dad’s associate ‘Levi’ is coming round tonight. He runs a website called Jews Sans Frontieres or something and although he is Jewish dad puts up with him and pretends to like him. He says Levi is useful.

I am sneaking out to go to a Late of the Pier concert, but I have to get back by 10.00 pm because dad wants the house fumigated after Levi being there.”



“Gert’s Daughter, how does your dad get blood stains out of the carpet? I hear that Levi cuts himself in order to let that tainted Jew-blood drain out.”

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/06/04/pull-the-other-one/



Dozens more of these gems mocking Gerts anti-Semitic "belief system" and Gert personally, and plenty more less amused, more shocked and angry reactions to Gerts online racist hate campaigns...

The Sentinel said...

Allow me to waste a few more minutes of my time and anyone else’s who are witnessing this demented troll finally being pulled apart at length, and elaborate a little further:

Herr Obersturmbangertrude feels entirely justified in his utterly obsessive online anti-Semitic hate campaigns even though he is neither a Jew nor a Muslim, has neither lived in Israel or Palestine nor even ever been to either and is in fact a 50 year old Belgian fuckwit hiding in the whitest, safest little seaside town he could find in the UK and is not even ever remotely effected by his any of his obsessions.

His obsessions are entirely without any real foundation in reality.

That doesn’t stop him in his anti-Semitic obsession though and the self hate and bandwagon power he tries to assume with his ultimately bogus super PC credentials.

Woe betide anyone else who ever dares to mention his fantastical obsession with Jews let alone Jews themselves without his explicit approval.

Whereas I deal in facts in history, and in contemporary times that are not populist nor sometimes well known that Gert and his cult are compelled to scream down as “racist” and “anti-semtic” along with all of the rest of the Orwellian labels – he deals in pure baseless hatred humiliating Jewish women with racist sexual insults, bizarrely linking Jews to Nazi’s – the “new herrenvolk”, and mocking Jews, Israel and the holocaust with a posted parody on the “Ze Ultimate Solushion” – amongst many other things.

Now that IS anti-Semitism.

Despite this lying trolls repeated claims of my supposed anti-Semitism he has been unable to prove any of it: Because it doesn’t exist.

He is reduced to condemning me for posting FACTS about history and my contention that ethnicity is of the highest importance to humans (scientifically and historically proven time and time again) in so many ways, both instinctively and intellectually and that in general ‘birds of a feather flock together” – with all of the PC cult labels at his disposal and the PC cult caveat of the truth is no defense.

Now that IS NOT anti-Semitism. Facts are just facts.

There has never been any “holocaust denial” from me at all, now conveniently switched to “holocaust revision” (yet another lie from this demented muppet only changed to another lie when the first one exposed as a lie) but only pointed facts. All of the points he was able to raise in this regard have been dealt with, with facts.

That he condemns a German girl as somehow tainted and guilty – and me by association – because of the actions of her grandparents is just typical of the nasty, vindictive, spiteful and hateful PC cult’s methodology, as is the fact that he condemns entire countries as “racist” such as Sweden.

He rants and raves about those who dare to comment on historical facts rather then on those facts themselves, because the PC cult knows that their rants do not stand the test of reality and that most of the PC cultists do not have the knowledge or even remotely the intelligence to engage in anything other hysterical shit throwing, and I have proved that time and time again with this PC cultist.

But all of the hysterical posturing by this clearly demented hysterical lying anti-Semitic troll comes down to one video I posted by an Armenian (and not a ‘Turk’ as this pathological lying troll had to resort to more lies about) that contained many historical facts about the Armenian genocide including just this one:

The Sentinel said...

“In 2005, the International Association of Genocide Scholars affirmed that scholarly evidence revealed the "Young Turk government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic genocide of its Armenian citizens – an unarmed Christian minority population. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide


Emanuel Karasu of Salonika, for example, was a founding member of the Young Turks…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Turkey


Emmanuel Carasso or Emanuel Karasu (Salonica, 1862 - Trieste, 1934) was a lawyer and a member of the prominent Sephardic Jewish Carasso family of Ottoman Salonica (now Thessaloniki, Greece). He was a prominent member of the Young Turks.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Karasu

The Sentinel said...

I had already said when posting the video that it was very interesting but that I did not agree with all of its contents.

But that is the problem this hysterical lying troll has – with people that convey facts that go against the PC cult.

That this hysterical lying troll fuckwit has no idea about the history of the Armenian genocide is utterly irrelevant to him and his cult – facts are not sought, debate is not welcomed but the heretics must be destroyed at all costs. Labels, lies, smears, insults – anything is permissible by the PC cult for heretics.

You will also note that I challenged him to acknowledge if he knew of an holocaust of greater magnitude carried out in Europe 10 years before the Jewish holocaust and you will notice that he failed to do so – because he and his PC cult couldn’t give a flying fuck about genocides, holocausts or violence that are against European people or Christians – or indeed anything that does not paint Europeans as hate filled monsters - and more specifically for this crank, he has no interest in much outside his main obsession with Jews.

I have thoroughly proven that Gert is all of the things I have contended all along:

A liar. A hypocrite. A troll. An anti-Semite. A sexual pervert. Completely Demented. And that every one he comes across knows it and says so.

All whilst Gert has proved none of his contentions about me – even unable to use third parties to revile me who haven’t already thoroughly reviled him first!!

That he lies like a cheap watch and as a matter of course can be seen at the start of this thread when he tries to continue his trolling against a couple of FJ and Pagan Temple comments that were already removed – and when Renegade Eye challenges him on it and asks him why as do I, he does what he always does and lies.

It can also be clearly seen by all that I didn’t start this bizarre waste of time but yet again Gert did; he decided to gratuitously attack ME over something that FJ said – I was not involved at all.

And he decided to carry out that gratuitous attack on me within 2 days of yet another hysterical lie in the previous thread that he would never ever read a single syllable of mine nor respond to me ever again and even bid me farewell!!!

Of course, like I said at the time it was all a standard hysterical lie that he has trotted out many times – “If only” I said – and that this demented troll wouldn’t be able to leave his demented trolling for long.

I must say even I was surprised that it only took 2 days for him to prove what a fantastic liar he is yet again. But that is exactly why he went on to attack me in this thread without reason instead of the previous one – he thinks everyone is too stupid to tie his lie in that thread to his actions in this one!!

That is the level of this demented troll.

This is all a waste of time, but it is also worthwhile in the fact that this demented lying fuckwit troll needs exposing for who and what he is in all his nasty glory in order that people can make an informed choice on whether it is really worth engaging with him – given his tactics, methodology and appalling history.

The SentAnal said...

DAMN IT!

Gert has all this evidence of me being a Jew hating racist cunt.

I SHALL HAVE TO KILL HIM!

I Love Gert said...

Yep, the Sentinel is a racist, well done Gert on not letting the daft bastard off the hook

The Sentinel said...

And here he is again: Another fellow troll of Gert's dimension: daniel hoffman-gill - aka "anonymous" and attempted ID spoofer.

And here is just one of the latest reactions to his pathological hate trolling - flying the nasty, vindictive and ignorant PC flag so proudly as usual - on just the latest blog he has decided to hate troll on and fresh from just yesterday; under his own name strangely, after bizarrely being too cowardly to do it in his own name here - or could it because with the rules he insisted on yet cannot even remotely keep within himself?!!



"Owners and monitors of this site.

Please read the comments of Hoffmann -Gill # 36.

This person has been thrown off from blogs because of hate AND perversion.
Sunny..you write that this is all about debate.

Debate is great, it brings understanding.
However, Hoffmmann-Gill breeds hate and his language is vulgar..

Please consider following the rules you set forth as it is good for all to learn from one another.

This man is a perverted, hateful distraction. His words should not be printed.
This is to be a Liberal site, but this person..what ever he is, makes anyone who is a liberal look badly..very badly.

He is a poor pathetic soul who needs help quite badly. Why give him a forum to speak on.
Trust me, you will find him elsewhere as well, and he is disgusting. He has been shut off many times and for good reason.

Please take one moment and look him up…it is then your call.

Colleen"

http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/21/rupert-murdoch-and-fox-news-imperialism/

Anonymous said...

word

The Sentinel said...

And here is the demented fuckwit troll, Hoffmann-gill actually thinking he is getting away with his trolling here without notice and embracing the other troll Gertrude:


https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=11234003&postID=5889709627025045224

Whilst Gert is at his anti-Semitic hate again and being thoroughly reviled for it, with new gems such as “It’s such a wonderful little country, Israel. Truly a (B)light unto the nations…” others on the blog have read Hoffmann-gills comments in the link above and have his number too:

“Gert, could you get Daniel Hoffmann-Gill to post over here? It would be top class entertainment to have two such insane cunts on show at once.

Cheers.Daniel’s latest performance here:”


“Wow, Gert is back and as mad and anti-Semitic as ever!

I agree with Django, it would be great if he could bring his nutjob buddy Daniel Hoffmann-Gill over too; oh what a fest of crazyness that would be!...

Go on Gert, get Daniel Hoffmann-Gill over here as one of your “band of pirates” so we can all have a real good laugh at your joint insanity!!”

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/09/26/naivety-over-iran/


What a lovely pair of trolls they make, thoroughly mocked online for the obscene idiots they are!!!

Anonymous said...

3 lions on my shirt!

jules rimet's still dreaming!

the sentinel is a cunt!

and he likes to argue!

Anonymous said...

Film is actually very very very good. I do think that it is ironic this film about jewish suffering and their reaction to their suffering comes out at a time when they themselves are treating people like they themselves were treted by the Hitler and his army.

As i said movie is a must watch.

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