Wednesday, November 28, 2007

Who are the thugs?

By Oil Wars


Two weeks ago when violence broke out at the campus of the Universidad Central de Venezuela the Venezuelan opposition and the international press acted as if the world was coming to the end. Never mind that it later turned out that students opposed to Chavez had initiated much of that violence. Never mind that no one was killed. Despite that supporters of Chavez would portrayed as violent thugs.

Yesterday Venezuela saw who the real thugs were. Anti-Chavez protesters were blocking streets in the central Venezuelan state of Carabobo. Why they felt the need to block streets and attack passersby is beyond me - it seems to me they should express their opinions by voting next Sunday.

Nevertheless, blocking the streets they were. Upon this roadblock came a truck full of workers for the local Petrocasas factories. These were pro-Chavez workers of a Chavez initiated industrial project and they wanted to pass. What exactly happened next is a little confused - some say the truck simply turned around and was leaving others say the passengers got out of the truck and got in an altercation with those manning the barricade.

But one thing is known. The anti-Chavez protesters shot one of the young workers in the back three times killing him instantly. That is right, the supposedly peacefull anti-Chavez protesters, you know the ones the international press tell us go around with their hands peacefully held up in the air, had guns and were willing to use them to shoot people. Here you can see some of the video of the young man's relatives and co-workers discussing this outrageous and murderous event.

Of course, those not in Venezuela can be forgiven if they haven't heard about these events - they barely rate an article in the international press.

So the international press largely ignores it. The opposition controlled press in Venezuela slanders the man saying he was a criminal trying to rob the protesters.

But the bottom line is one more person is dead from political violence in Venezuela. People on both sides of the divide have lost their lives. But unfortunately most people will only ever hear about one set of victims. It seems dark skinned workers from poor backgrounds apparently don't count as much as affluent university students in some peoples minds.

Sad, but true.

RENEGADE EYE

61 comments:

Té la mà Maria - Reus said...

sea el problema que sea, solo se resume en uno los ricos no quieren que les quiten las cosas los pobres y a partir de aqui se inventa la palabra terrorista

saludos

César xrmr said...

Thank you for these informations.

Graeme said...

There was no doubt in my mind who the thugs were.

politiques USA said...

CIA Venezuela Destabilization Memo Surfaces
By JAMES PETRAS

"On November 26, 2007 the Venezuelan government broadcast and circulated a confidential memo from the US embassy to the CIA which is devastatingly revealing of US clandestine operations and which will influence the referendum this Sunday, December 2, 2007.

The memo sent by an embassy official, Michael Middleton Steere, was addressed to the Director of Central Intelligence, Michael Hayden. The memo was entitled 'Advancing to the Last Phase of Operation Pincer' and updates the activity by a CIA unit with the acronym 'HUMINT' (Human Intelligence) which is engaged in clandestine action to destabilize the forth-coming referendum and coordinate the civil military overthrow of the elected Chavez government. The Embassy-CIA's polls concede that 57 per cent of the voters approved of the constitutional amendments proposed by Chavez but also predicted a 60 per cent abstention.......

The outcome of the Referendum of December 2 is a major historical event first and foremost for Venezuela but also for the rest of the Americas. A positive vote (Vota 'Sí') will provide the legal framework for the democratization of the political system, the socialization of strategic economic sectors, empower the poor and provide the basis for a self-managed factory system. A negative vote (or a successful US-backed civil-military uprising) would reverse the most promising living experience of popular self-rule, of advanced social welfare and democratically based socialism. A reversal, especially a military dictated outcome, would lead to a blood bath, such as we have not seen since the days of the Indonesian Generals' Coup of 1966, which killed over a million workers and peasants or the Argentine Coup of 1976 in which over 30,000 Argentines were murdered by the US- backed Generals.

A decisive vote for 'Sí' will not end US military and political destabilization campaigns but it will certainly undermine and demoralize their collaborators. On December 2, 2007 the Venezuelans have a rendezvous with history."

Little Pope said...

You can’t fight against an Empire. Not right now, when US imperialism is the only master of the world. We Latin-Americans have to accept this harsh reality. It’s impossible to construct (AGAIN) a socialist society in one country, in this case Venezuela.
Renegade eye: you are a Jew, aren’t you? So I guess you remember what happened with Israel when Simon bar Kokhba tried to liberate his people from Roman Empire: Israel was wiped off the map. Bar Kokhba was against globalization, and the Emperor had to destroy him.
Chávez is also against globalization, against a modern and integrated world. Maybe he is a good guy, but socialism is not the solution.

Dave Marlow said...

I wrote about the violence in Venezuela a few weeks back. I concur with the President that the threat has fascist qualities and may develop into a full-on fascist movement.

This is extremely interesting. The double standards in the bourgeois media is astounding. It reminds me of Chomsky's theory of "worthy" and "unworthy" victims, in Manufacturing Consent.

JDHURF said...

Thank you for the post comrade, it helps to more than clear up a dispute I was having with anti-Chavez reactionaries elsewhere.

Fraternally

JDHURF

btw - Comrade Dave, you are right, the double standard is exactly what Chomsky and Herman discuss in Manufacturing Consent, an excellent book which should be read by everyone.

Farmer John said...

Gee has the perpetrator of the crime been arrested? Are there pictures of anti-Chavez protestors committing this crime? Or is the bloviating Vice President of Venezuela talking out of his ass again?

Theres NO proof that this crime was done by anti-Chavez people.

And why didn't you report about the four peopl wounded by gunfire last week, one an RCTV reporter?

Farmer John said...

btw - The Revolution will start on December 2. Tomorrow's the dry-run.

Farmer John said...

btw - in the same hyper-bloviation, the VP also accused the Catholic Church for being responsible for the crime...

and as politques has already noted, a published US Embassy in Venezuela memo to the DCI claims the CIA was responsible...

So who did it, Ren? Opposition students, a Catholic priest, or the CIA? LOL!

I wish you Chavistas could keep your enemies straight. Are yuou sure Bush didn't do it?

Farmer John said...

btw3 - Which one of your commie friends sanctioned this hit yesterday... right in front of a soldier?

Farmer John said...

But unfortunately most people will only ever hear about one set of victims. It seems dark skinned workers from poor backgrounds apparently don't count as much as affluent university students in some peoples minds.

Always playing the race card. eh Ren?

Is Chavez a "dark skinned" dictator? Just wondrin'.

sonia said...

Politiques USA,

over 30,000 Argentines were murdered by the US- backed Generals

You're repeating a Communist propaganda lie. It was the Soviet bloc, including Cuba, that supported and backed Argentina's military junta, not the United States. United States backed Pinochet's Chile that went to war against Argentina in the late 70's. Later, US again backed Thatcher's England when she went to war with Argentina.

So those 30,000 Argentinians were killed by Castro-backed military junta that United States was trying to overthrow!!!

Farmer John said...

Ren,

Even Chavez's blond ex-wife is telling the people to VOTE NO on December 2.

Racist b*tch!

politiques USA said...

You're repeating a Communist propaganda lie. It was the Soviet bloc, including Cuba, that supported and backed Argentina's military junta, not the United States
Well this part did not even capture my eyes, but tomorrow if i have time I will write a short comment on Argentina and the US tactics.

Renegade Eye said...

César xrmr: Thank you for visiting. I will visit one of your blogs in the next few days.

Little Pope: I hope you have a blog sometime. I'm sure it would be compelling.

Chavez is not alone. He has allied with him Ecuador, Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Argentina etc. Washington fears that Venezuela will be a model for others to follow. After the Soviet Union fell, the US believed it was the end of state intervention. The majority of Venezuelans don't want to go back to neoliberalism.

Politiques: I just found out yesterday about the CIA document. No surprises there.

Sonia: I don't know the USSR's relationship to the junta. Tell me your source. Wikipedia says the junta was hostile to USSR.

The US for the most part supported the junta. Reagan had to have his arm twisted by Thatcher, to get his support. Russia and China voted with the UK, in support of the invasion.

Kissinger's OK is what gave the junta its confidence to proceed.

Farmer: The murderer was arrested, and confessed to the killing. He also was unrepentant.

I think you are correct that events in Venezuela will get worse, before they get better.

That article you linked to, has an obviously doctored photo.

Oil Wars point about race, is correct based on the silence of world media.

RCTV correspondent shot? I think that would be in the news.

Dave and JDHURF: Good point, I'm not a Chomsky fan.

JDHURF said...

Here is an interesting article discussing the CIA's role in fomenting armed opposition in Venezuela:

http://www.counterpunch.org/petras11272007.html

btw - Renegade, I can't believe you don't like Chomsky. What exactly are your politics specifically?

sonia said...

Ren,

, I don't know the USSR's relationship to the junta. Tell me your source. Wikipedia says the junta was hostile to USSR.

The US for the most part supported the junta. Reagan had to have his arm twisted by Thatcher, to get his support. Russia and China voted with the UK, in support of the invasion.

Kissinger's OK is what gave the junta its confidence to proceed.


Those are typical leftist obfuscations. "Kissinger's OK", "US for the most part", "Wikipedia says...". It means nothing.

THE BOTTOM LINE: The only 2 (TWO)countries to wage war on the Argentinian junta were Pinochet's Chile and Thatcher's England. Cuba was sending its soldiers to fight in Angola, not Argentina.

It's the same thing with Saddam's Iraq. The left always accusing United States of supporting Saddam in the 1980's, etc. But the BOTTOM LINE is this: in 2003, it was United States that overthrew Saddam's regime WHILE ALL THE LEFTIST AROUND THE WORLD WERE DEMONSTRATING IN SUPPORT OF SADDAM HUSSEIN.

It was the same thing during the Falkland War. Thatcher was such a devil in the leftists's eyes that they were all supporting the Argentinian junta against her.

politiques USA said...

The Wikipedia is a good source to find out at first sight about countries and their political evolution but it's too general and they often hide historical elements.
So here is my little personal contribution for Argentina that you won't find in history books.
During the 70s the US had not that much power in countries such as Argentina, Venezuela and Colombia, and there was a need to improve their regional influence so they tried to import the french ideas of the "revolutionary war" in South America and they started first with the country of Argentina. The training of death squads was the 1st attempt to implement this method in Argentina, and they were trained by french military officers for the service of the US in 1976.

During the period of 1976 to 1983, the french were dirty involved with the US in South America, and today there is still a strong denial from the french government about the french connection in Argentina or Chile. Nevertheless we happen to find precious information about their involvement because people do talk but their testimony has always been ignored by the french right media.

Here is a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War

Farmer John said...

Those "obviously doctored" photo's are scans of pictures from newspapers.

So much for the "doctor".

btw - Perhaps you could link us to the "confession" and "identity" of the accused killer in the Valencia incident??? After all, his accuser WAS the Vice president.

Farmer John said...

RCTV correspondent shot? I think that would be in the news.

Only the Venezuelan News...

Farmer John said...

...the world MSM must be racists, eh Ren?

TRUTH-PAIN said...

Uno de los problemas de tratar de comprender la mentalidad Latina, -y especialmente la de Sur America-, es que no existe division entre la pasion/emocion y la logica en cuanto a lo socio-politico. Tal tema se considera una entidad en si mismo. El Americano (like yours truly), nunca comprendera culturas afueras de su propio prismo. Le es psicologicamente imposible.

...but thats just me, Ren... , thats just me.

Renegade Eye said...

Truth-Pain: I read your latest post about moving toward being involved in local issues. For me it would be like pulling a tooth. I know more about Pakistan than Red Wing, MN.

Sonia: Chile and Argentina having a skirmish over a border, is different than smashing a dictatorship. I think Chile's dictatorship had a different character than Argentina's junta.

Reagan sided with Thatcher after an arm twisting. Her fight with the junta wasn't related to democracy.

I support Ted Grant's position on the Malvinas.

Farmer: I'll comment more tonight. I'm on my way to a Pedro Infante movie festival.

Farmer John said...

Have fun, Ren!

If it were me, I'd wait for Cantinflas to come to town...

Farmer John said...

Nah!

I watch a modern day Cantinflas, all the time.

Ren, the Jews are behind ALL this opposition to Chavez. It isn't the rich white students, it isn't the CIA, it isn't the Catholic Church...

it was the JEWS, all the time!

btw - Once Hugo gasses all the Jews, the rich white kids, the Catholics, the university students, the American and Columbian agents... that's when they'll come for you.

Renegade Eye said...

Farmer: RCTV correspondent shot? I think that would be in the news.

I thought RCTV was shut down. I guess it still on the air.

I thought I'd better read the RCTV article before I left. It seemed to be about injured police.

How about Maria Felix?

This weekend I'll have to watch for minute by minute reports.

Farmer John said...

I thought RCTV was shut down. I guess it still on the air.

RCTV moved to cable as "RCTV International". Your memory must be a lot shorter than your johnson.

It seemed to be about injured police...

Seis personas resultaron heridas, entre ellos cuatro funcionarios policiales, cuando se originó un tiroteo en la avenida Las Américas de Mérida, donde se desarrollaba una manifestación estudiantil. Al tiempo que el corresponsal de RCTV Internacional, Elvis Rivas recibió una golpiza por parte de agentes de Polimérida, mientras hacía su trabajo.

Six people were wounded, among them four policemen, when a shooting originated in the Avenue of the Américas de Mérida, where a student manifestation was unfolding. At that time RCTV International correspondent, Elvis Rivas received a blow from agents of Polimérida, while doing his work.

---

En ese momento se desató un tiroteo que dejó como saldo a seis personas con heridas por arma de fuego, entre ellos cuatro policías regionales.

Entre el grupo de funcionarios de seguridad al parecer se encontraban personas identificadas con el oficialismo que aprovechó la confusión del momento para atacar, junto a otros policías a los periodistas Elvis Rivas, de RCTV Internacional y a un reportero gráfico del diario Cambio de Siglo


In the moment gunfire erupted were left six people wounded with gunshot wounds, among them four regional police.

Within the group of security forces appeared people identified with 'oficialismo' (officialism, aka- Chavez) who took advantage of the confusion of the moment to attack the journalist Elvis Rivas, of RCTV International, and a photojournalist reporter from the daily 'Change of Century' who were standing with another group of policemen.

How about Maria Felix? de Mille should have offered her more than a walk-on...

This weekend I'll have to watch for minute by minute reports.

Are you kidding? You've a better chance of keeping abreast of events on YouTube. They're pulling the press credentials from CNN International/Globovision to keep them from reporting election results... whoda thunkit. Freedom of the press? What's that? Heil Hugo!

Tom Cleland said...

In my book, "Souls in Peril: How Conservatives Desecrate the Holy Scriptures," I note how Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Hugo Chavez. This was a clear violation of Matthew 7:12 and an example of how conservatives desecrate the Holy Scriptures.

Mr. Beamish the Kakistocrat said...

There were no poor people in the land of Oz, because there was no such thing as money, and all property of every sort belonged to the Ruler. Each person was given freely by his neighbors whatever he required for his use, which is as much as anyone may reasonably desire. Every one worked half the time and played half the time, and the people enjoyed the work as much as they did the play, because it is good to be occupied and to have something to do. There were no cruel overseers set to watch them, and no one to rebuke them or to find fault with them. So each one was proud to do all he could for his friends and neighbors, and was glad when they would accept the things he produced.

Y'all do realize it's a fairy tale, right?

Servant said...

Always appreciate your reports, Ren. Looking forward to any news about Sunday's referendum. Any predications? Succession is always a difficult problem no matter what party.

Farmer John said...

Tom,

re: Violations of the Holy Scriptures...

PAT ROBERTSON: He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he’s going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent. You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if... he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don’t think any oil shipments will stop, but this man is a terrific danger, and the United States—this is in our sphere of influence. We can’t let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine. We have other doctrines that we have announced, and without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out (FJ-there are ways "other" than assassination), and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.

Jesus kissed both Judas and Dostoyevski's "Grand Inquisitor". After all, the Road to Hell is always paved with "good" intentions.

Mat 7:12 — Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

If I turned evil and were leading millions of my people to their ruin, I would surely hope that somebody stopped me...

Is what Chavez is doing "good" for his people? Is it "just"? Does it make them more free? Does it empower them to make their own choices? Does it give them more chances of sustaining an "appeal" to authority? Or is an autocracy merely the most efficient way of redistributing wealth and labor?

Renegade Eye said...

Servant: All we need is 51%, although 60% would be better.

Beamish: Were you aware of this?

Farmer: I love Pedro Infante movies, except he is not box office in Minneapolis. The festival drew 6 people. I had free tix. The theater where I saw it, is attached to a successful bar/restaraunt. The Parkway Theater in Minneapolis, is the last authentic old time movie house.

Tom: Your book on the Bible, goes alongside Hitchens and Dawkins.

Farmer John said...

I like to see my foreign films at the 'Charles' in Baltimore. There's a Spanish "Tapas" restaurant next door on the right, and a small live-theatre on the left... the "Everyman". My son used to perform in plays there.

btw - If you ever get to Baltimore, you need to take in a play at the recently restored Hippodrome Theatre. You'd swear it was Vaudeville days...

Farmer John said...

...or as I affectionately call it... the Hippy Dome

Renegade Eye said...

FJ: The Hippodrome looks magnificent.

Tom Cleland said...

Renegade: I’ll take that as a compliment, though I’m still not an atheist.

Farmer John: Hugo Chavez can be measured by the Golden Rule, just like anyone, but I can’t see how Pat Robertson even began to do that. Robertson would have to prove that Islam and Communism, the redistribution of wealth and labor are so bad that murder would do less harm than good. These questions are so complex that you practically have to have the knowledge of God/Goddess to answer them. Knowledge we sure didn’t have before we went into Iraq. Life is what we value most, and the taking of life is irreversible.

The article below has a link to a summary of the proposed Venezuelan constitutional changes. From what I could tell, it doesn’t look like a march toward fascism, as some fear is happening in the U.S.…

Greens, citing revealed memo, urge Bush to cancel CIA plans to interfere in Venezuelan referendum and destabilize the Chavez government:

http://www.gp.org/press/pr_2007_11_30.shtml

Mr. Beamish the Kakistocrat said...

Ren,

I wasn't aware of that Baum editorial / obituary. Thanks.

Farmer John said...

Tom,

Simply count the victims of communism to date, and you'll discover that the answer is really VERY VERY simple.

100 million dead. Not enemies... CITIZENS since 1917.

What's 1 death compared to 100 million? And this one, unlike that of the Grand Inquisitor, would not be of an "innocent". After all, we've reached the end of innocence, haven't we (and it turned out that Reagan wasn't the monster).

Farmer John said...

The only difference between Cuba today and Cuba 50 years ago is that in the 50's there were rich and poor... today, there are only poor.

Farmer John said...

Tom,

Maybe you and Ren can go into the altar building business with Lycaon, but I'll be damned if I'll let you make excuses for him.

Call me one of the Andronicci. I can bake a pretty mean dish, myself... served hot OR cold.

Larry Gambone said...

I have said it once, and I will say it again. It is high time Chavez distributed arms to the workers and create worker defense militia to deal with reaction. Chavez must not be an Allende, the boss class, when threatened with the loss of even a few of their privileges throws bourgeois democracy out the window and opts for fascism. The only working class defense is a good offense!

Tom Cleland said...

I'll let the debate rage on over whether Chavez has any blood on his hands, what to do about it, how he compares with other leaders, peaceful conflict resolution, etc.

My point for now is that Pat Robertson did not do for Hugo Chavez as he would have Chavez do for him. He would want the benefit of the doubt, he would want everything taken into consideration, he would not want his life taken from him. Robertson desecrated the Holy Scriptures.

Farmer John said...

Tom,

Is it okay for Chavez to assassinate his opponents? How about to merely intimidate them?

Farmer John said...

Robertson did nothing to desecrate Holy Scriptures... what he desecrated was YOUR interpretation of his remarks AND the scripture, a defect probably induced by your own liberal myopia. Robertson's quote is in the thread above... and the passage you cite. Go back and read it.

Now slowly... explain how what Robertson said violates the scripture you quoted.

Farmer John said...

Hugo is NO innocent. There is no "doubt" about either his intentions, his past actions, or his present and likely future conduct.

He's a demagogue AND a dictator.

You'd give Hitler the benefit of the "doubt".

Farmer John said...

...and you deliberately IGNORE Hugo's record (you "leave it to others") in order to "pretend" that there is ANY doubt.

There is NONE.

Farmer John said...

...but I'm sure that so long as "HugO' doesn't personally participate in what his thugs do (his rojos rojitos)... then there is "doubt"...

...of course, they'll never come to trial...

Farmer John said...

Stalin never needed to have his guards beat the zeks (politicl prisoners). His "trustees" did it "willingly".

Solzhenitsyn "Gulag Archipelago"

Who's the thug? I think the question has been answered.

Tom Cleland said...

Farmer, how can you be so sure that you would be justified in killing Chavez?

Farmer John said...

Because he is still, today, actively trying to enslave the 4.5 million Venezuelans who voted against "socialism" yesterday, despite being rejected at the polls (last night during his "cadena" he told the opposition to "enjoy their pyrrhic victory"... implying that this "victory" is temporary, and will cost them more than they gained)

Chavez wants to tell free men how they should think and how their lives should be lived... only... that would be an attempt to alienate the unalienable (liberty). Chavez was elected to serve the people, not have the people serve him (or his "goals" no matter how "noble" robbing Peter to pay Paul may sound).

If I were Jesus, I would kiss Chavez, the Grand Inquisitor too. He has the "best of intentions". Unfortunately, "he knows too well what he is doing" and therefore must pay the price for biting the apple.

To accomplish what Chavez wants to accomplish requires the VOLUNTARY consent of 100% of the people. Democracy cannot grant him that consent. For the people have "unalienable" rights.

Farmer John said...

The golden rule, "Do unto others as you would have them do to you."

In other words... leave them alone and stop trying to tell them what to do. They are "ends unto themselves" not "means to an end" (socialism).

Farmer John said...

...and Chavez was elected to guarantee those "dissident" Venezuelans their unalienable rights, not subvert them.

As a military officer I served to guarantee YOUR right as an American to dissent, as well as to preserve my own life and liberty. I would never try and FORCE you to agree with me. I must "convince" you if I want you to do something "different" with your life. However, 4.5 million Venezuelans remain "unconvinced" that "patria, socialismo, o muerte" is the way to go. A "vote" isn't going to change their minds. And so long as their minds remain unalienable, so does the greater part of their property.

Farmer John said...

You can't "vote away" somebodies liberty. You can "volunteer" to give up your own, but you can't "volunteer away" mine. You can only "steal" it.

Farmer John said...

And if you repeatedly attempt to steal away the liberty of 4.5 million people...try to assign people their ends (no matter how noble)... serve the poor, etc.,

well, perhaps you no longer deserve any benefit of the doubt... for what doubt there once may have existed, is gone.

Did Jesus "conscript" his apostles? Did Jesus "draft" them or "impress" them into his "Christian army"? Did Jesus ask the Jews of Israel to "vote" on whether or not to support the poor. No. He asked them to follow him... to volunteer of their own "free" will.

Tom Cleland said...

Robertson later apologized for calling for the assassination of Hugo Chavez. At that point he became slightly less conservative and therefore more Christian. For to justify assassination, he would have had to prove a capital murder case, justify the death penalty, rule out mental illness, prove that the replacement leader would result in fewer innocent deaths, justify disparate treatment relative to other world leaders including tyrants, and God/Goddess knows what else. Farmer John, I am not convinced that you have proved a capital murder case. If it were the case of a tyrant with plausible deniability of secret death squads, the tyrant needs to answer to the God/Goddess. The fall guy can be convicted of obstructing justice, and the tyrant can be removed from power, but that’s about as much as we mere mortals can do. When in doubt, isn’t it wisest to live and let live?

As for the political argument, it seems that socialism is much more consistent with the Golden Rule than capitalism. I want as many resources as possible; therefore I want others to have as many resources as possible. If we carry this out to its logical conclusion, it makes sense that we will strive to share work equally, and share resources equally, worldwide. We will keep our population in check so that we can live in comfort, and we will share and share alike. People who promote capitalism promote selfishness, and when they do it in the name of Christianity, they desecrate the Holy Scriptures because they violate Matthew 7:12. They are hogging resources; they are not treating others the way they would like to be treated.

I haven’t been following the specifics of Venezuelan politics, but it sounds like they need to go back to the drawing board on the constitutional changes. Keep the parts that empower the people, but take out the parts that give too much power to the executive. Chavez has five years to groom a successor. He seems to be tremendously popular with the poor. Hopefully he can leave a positive legacy.

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Farmer John said...

Tom,

LOL! Robertson didn't call for anybodies assassination and had nothing to apologize for.

And tell all that crap about "capital murder" to Osama bin laden. I'd kill him too if given a clean shot.

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