tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post7536379493726114400..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Opposition violence at Venezuelan university - What really happened at the UCVFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger123125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-35604465881008496332007-11-17T11:23:00.000-06:002007-11-17T11:23:00.000-06:00Wow this thread cleared out like a drop of soap in...Wow this thread cleared out like a drop of soap in a dish of grease. <BR/><BR/>Ren, you're going to have to do a thread on how "Bush and Cheney tore up the Constitution," if only for a new playground. It's not me making Terry look stupid, it's his "leftism."(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-19401291938755286532007-11-16T08:02:00.000-06:002007-11-16T08:02:00.000-06:00What, still no spirited leftist defense of the lau...What, still no spirited leftist defense of the lauded British Broadcasting Corporation's right to enjoin the gendarmes to surveil British homes for possible unauthorized television viewing?<BR/><BR/>Too many laughs to be had here.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-19417241510164202572007-11-15T20:36:00.000-06:002007-11-15T20:36:00.000-06:00Terry,I'm not bagging on Britain, really. Y'all re...Terry,<BR/><BR/>I'm not bagging on Britain, really. Y'all really aren't than much different from America in most respects. <BR/><BR/>Y'all take your inbred rabble from the hinterlands and feed and clothe and educate them on the public dime. <BR/><BR/>So do we. <BR/><BR/>We just don't dress them up like Liberace and call them royals and aristocracy.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-65647559111975967932007-11-15T20:27:00.000-06:002007-11-15T20:27:00.000-06:00Terry, We also have the TV License to fund the BBC...Terry, <BR/><I>We also have the TV License to fund the BBC so that it's free from commercial interference. This means we get balanced news coverage, sporting events and various social and political programmes for a small fee each year.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, when Britain, excuse me, the "United Kingdom," strips the monarchy of its power to dismiss the PM and dissolve Parliament, much less the ridiculous "Royal Assent" reserve power / powdered wig ceremony that dictates that no laws are passed in the UK without the Queen's decree - then tell me about how Bush and Cheney "trash the US Constitution" - and not before. <BR/><BR/>Make sure you explain that people who operate television sets in the UK without a license are being jailed in the UK "for their own good."(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-19945667957688189132007-11-15T13:14:00.000-06:002007-11-15T13:14:00.000-06:00Although, instead of fantasizing about what you'd ...<I>Although, instead of fantasizing about what you'd 'do' in Iraq, why don't you get off your fat arse and join those young men and women on the front-line, instead of just blabbing about it all on the internet?</I><BR/><BR/>Because some of us have to stay at home and expose the domestic traitors.... like you.<BR/><BR/>In other words... I got my homies backs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-52198411264847389902007-11-15T12:54:00.000-06:002007-11-15T12:54:00.000-06:00FJ:You obviously watch too much Fox News. Please c...FJ:<BR/><BR/>You obviously watch too much Fox News. Please continue.<BR/><BR/>Although, instead of fantasizing about what you'd 'do' in Iraq, why don't you get off your fat arse and join those young men and women on the front-line, instead of just blabbing about it all on the internet?<BR/><BR/>Miss Beamish:<BR/><BR/>Okay Beamish, guess a guy in your position has to try and laugh at the world. What with your mama already being your sister and your Daddy her 2nd cousin - must have been hard growing up! Boo hoo.<BR/><BR/>I'm not moping either. It's great being British at the moment, given that our unadvanced currency means we can buy cheap goods from America because the dollar is inflating into nothingness. The joy of being backward. Oops.<BR/><BR/>To mop up your mess: we drive on what is known as the 'left hand side', not the 'wrong' side, of the road. <BR/><BR/>We also have the TV License to fund the BBC so that it's free from commercial interference. This means we get balanced news coverage, sporting events and various social and political programmes for a small fee each year. I guess in a world awash with corporate propaganda, commercial television and pay-per-view that this concept is alien to you, rather like the NHS.<BR/><BR/>Please resume your dribbling, dipshit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-75511144127601667702007-11-15T09:38:00.000-06:002007-11-15T09:38:00.000-06:00Terry, Britain's a rainy, grey shit-hole - what's ...Terry, <BR/><BR/><I>Britain's a rainy, grey shit-hole - what's your point?</I> <BR/><BR/>I just find it endlessly hilarious to get into compare and contrast discussions about political freedom with people who need a fuckin' license to operate a television set in their home. (Never mind the driving on the wrong side of the road thing.) <BR/><BR/>Resume moping.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-47702627766755784322007-11-15T09:34:00.000-06:002007-11-15T09:34:00.000-06:00Okay... maybe I would have given them "stamped" AK...Okay... maybe I would have given them "stamped" AK's vs "machined" ones. They're cheaper and don't last as long.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-40882321591749982392007-11-15T09:33:00.000-06:002007-11-15T09:33:00.000-06:00And then that ammo would be used to destroy your o...<I>And then that ammo would be used to destroy your own soldiers, who are perceived as an occupying power!!!??? The methane must be getting to you, Mr John.</I><BR/><BR/>Think so? The guys who wanted to keep U.S. out ALREADY HAD guns and AMMO. LOL! And they could push the rest of their neighbors around and keep them from ratting them out BECAUSE the 'innocents' were unarmed.<BR/><BR/>They DID welcome U.S. with open arms when the 1st tanks rolled through! And I wouldn't have stayed long enough for them to start shooting at me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-30687773663629449302007-11-15T08:43:00.000-06:002007-11-15T08:43:00.000-06:00So Ren, how many other members of the radical Left...So Ren, how many other members of the radical Left <A HREF="http://farmersletters.blogspot.com/2007/11/retreat-of-gunmen-ucv.html" REL="nofollow">Alexis Vive Collective</A> of the 23 de Enero barrio work at that TV station and specialize in "rescue work?<BR/><BR/>Do they make other "housecalls"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-33644704909616547172007-11-15T07:10:00.000-06:002007-11-15T07:10:00.000-06:00SONIA:"Go to Congo to find out what happens when e...SONIA:<BR/>"Go to Congo to find out what happens when everybody has a gun..."<BR/><BR/>Or, got to the U.S. and find out what happens when everybody has a gun... lol.<BR/><BR/>MISS BEAMISH:<BR/><BR/>"When your nation becomes advanced enough to have a constitution, please tell us what's broken about ours."<BR/><BR/>That is pathetic Beamish, even for you. This is not 'my' country, it's simply the place I live and I'm not simple minded enough to get too passionate about national ego. Britain's a rainy, grey shit-hole - what's your point? <BR/><BR/>Then again, on the subject of advancement, we do manage to provide universal healthcare for everyone, universal education for everyone and we managed to abolish the death penalty years ago.<BR/><BR/>Go play your banjo...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-40101102354591091332007-11-15T01:53:00.000-06:002007-11-15T01:53:00.000-06:00Terry, When your nation becomes advanced enough to...Terry, <BR/><BR/>When your nation becomes advanced enough to have a constitution, please tell us what's broken about ours. <BR/><BR/>Say 'ello to the Queen's doorman for me.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-45359394828590614832007-11-14T22:30:00.000-06:002007-11-14T22:30:00.000-06:00Other Topic:Gen. William Ward, an African American...Other Topic:<BR/>Gen. William Ward, an African American, has been handpicked by the Bush administration to lead the newly created U.S Africa Command (AFRICOM). The base and host nation for AFRICOM is yet to be disclosed. <BR/><BR/><B>Does Africa need AFRICOM?</B><BR/><BR/>Please join the debate on <A HREF="http://www.africanloft.com/open-debate-does-africa-need-africom-us-africa-command-base-on-the-continent/#comment-5277" REL="nofollow">AfricanLoft</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-8624808865987199702007-11-14T21:46:00.000-06:002007-11-14T21:46:00.000-06:00Larry,Methinks its about time that Chavez ARMED TH...Larry,<BR/><BR/><I>Methinks its about time that Chavez ARMED THE PEOPLE.</I> <BR/><BR/>If he did, the Republicans would welcome him with open arms and Charlton Heston would made him a honorary NRA member.<BR/><BR/>Michael Moore, however, would be very disappointed in Chavez...<BR/><BR/>Your faith in the masses is very touching. Go to Congo to find out what happens when everybody has a gun...soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-90250966188919895892007-11-14T21:19:00.000-06:002007-11-14T21:19:00.000-06:00"Democratically' elected tyrants who rip up social..."Democratically' elected tyrants who rip up social contract to pen their own should ALL be stood up against a wall and shot."<BR/><BR/>Go get Bush then, stick the constitution he tore up into his mouth and shoot the bastard.<BR/><BR/>"If I had been part of the initial Iraq invasion force, i would have been passing out an AK-47 and a case of ammo to everyone I saw."<BR/><BR/>And then that ammo would be used to destroy your own soldiers, who are perceived as an occupying power!!!??? The methane must be getting to you, Mr John.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-68684467134192968882007-11-14T18:47:00.000-06:002007-11-14T18:47:00.000-06:00If I had been part of the initial Iraq invasion fo...If I had been part of the initial Iraq invasion force, i would have been passing out an AK-47 and a case of ammo to everyone I saw... and then gone out the other end of the country into Turkey, never to be seen again...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-46602743438968811132007-11-14T18:03:00.000-06:002007-11-14T18:03:00.000-06:00Methinks its about time that Chavez ARMED THE PEOP...Methinks its about time that Chavez ARMED THE PEOPLE. I don't want to see this turn into another Allende-type dithering, where 500,000 Chileans demanded weapons in front of the presidential palace and he refused.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-55336370327033540522007-11-14T12:21:00.000-06:002007-11-14T12:21:00.000-06:00blah, blah, blah.The 5th of November was soooo two...blah, blah, blah.<BR/><BR/>The 5th of November was soooo two weeks ago!<BR/><BR/>'Democratically' elected tyrants who rip up social contract to pen their own should ALL be stood up against a wall and shot.<BR/><BR/>...and grabbing the media to stifle the 'discussion' is hardly "cricket"!<BR/><BR/>Cincinnatus was great! Washington was great! But Chavez is just another petty Napoleon usurping the revolution.<BR/><BR/>Spare a Bolo (bs) for the Payaso?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-4241685363570226162007-11-14T10:56:00.000-06:002007-11-14T10:56:00.000-06:00I posited Kent State, not as an analogy, as they a...I posited Kent State, not as an analogy, as they are obviously different events, but as a reminder to those over-opinionated, self righteous Yankees who seem to believe that they always have the moral high-ground. <BR/><BR/>Before slamming the actions of a democratically elected leader and the Venezuelan citizenship, perhaps it would be wise if those 'people' (if you can call them that) perhaps look at their own state of affairs and their own blood soaked history.<BR/><BR/>As such, Kent State was posited as a reminder, not as an analogy. But then, analogical thinking is the simplest form of critical reasoning, so it's no surprise that it's been accepted in this way.<BR/><BR/>Remember, remember...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-31477195892603395552007-11-14T08:21:00.000-06:002007-11-14T08:21:00.000-06:00btw - I've nominated this blog for the Walter Dura...btw - I've nominated this blog for the <A HREF="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/791vwuaz.asp?ZoomFont=YES" REL="nofollow">Walter Duranty</A> Journalism Prize. Congrats! I have no doubt that you'll win it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-35574201037988310402007-11-14T07:20:00.000-06:002007-11-14T07:20:00.000-06:00This illegitimate son of Stalin is punishing the K...This illegitimate son of Stalin is punishing the Kulacks AGAIN!!!!<BR/><BR/>I know, you LOVE Stalin. Hurray for you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-38074530694296187232007-11-14T07:17:00.000-06:002007-11-14T07:17:00.000-06:00it should be sad, that Chavez could lose this refe...<I>it should be sad, that Chavez could lose this referendum, if the opposition simply used legal campaign channels.</I><BR/><BR/>Legal channels? <I>Officialsita</I> channels? You really have NO concept of what is happening in Venezuela. Chavez OWNS the "legal channels". In Venezuela EVERYTHING has to go through "official channels". Otherwise, you can't get your permit to demonstrate or operate a TV station. RCTV. THAT's whats wrong with "officialista" channels.<BR/><BR/>Even the student movement is being usurped by the "officialistas". Do you see the cadena loop I posted. Did you see how they referred to the student leaders as "supposed leaders" as opposed to "official leaders". Chevez is ALL over the distinction. Grass roots civic activity has NO voice unless given the "officialista" stamp by the government.<BR/><BR/>Want to apply for a permit to demonstrate? These are Hugo's own words, two week ago...<BR/><BR/><I>"Are we going to fell into the same trap (of 2002)? Why don't you punish the television channels? You (Minister of Communication Jesse Chacón) have the relevant power. Do it! It is provided for under the law, and if you do not dare, then <B>forward the resolution to me, and I will certainly sign it!</B>,"<BR/>---<BR/>"Assuming that this fascist minority manages to unleash violence in the streets, <B>we are going to run them over</B>,"<BR/>---<BR/>"The next time, you need to assess whether you are going to okay their demonstration, because you will be granting permission for them to come to burn downtown Caracas. What kind of weak government is giving permission to some fascists who are threatening to burn cars with people inside?"<BR/>---<BR/>He added an investigation is under way into the people who convened the protest, and claimed that the leaders "want some people to get killed."<BR/><BR/>"You have to assess this. You should not be surprised if you grant them a permit to march to O'Leary Square and then they will go to (the presidential palace of) Miraflores to burn it. This is the way the events of April 11 (2002) started, because of our weaknesses. But we will not allow this, you sons of daddy, you filthy rich people."</I><BR/><BR/>Chavez has been granted dictatorial powers. Under a left-fascist dictatorship, the ARE NO LEGAL CHANNELS! You might as well beg STALIN for a permit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-52656580843410568252007-11-14T07:03:00.000-06:002007-11-14T07:03:00.000-06:00Yes, the police are friendly, helpful and always s...Yes, the police are friendly, helpful and always smiling, and the opposition deserves a good beating. <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpzq7YpNfBk" REL="nofollow">Last week</A> in Merida...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-60181383008523780822007-11-14T03:56:00.000-06:002007-11-14T03:56:00.000-06:00Capitalists with slingshots?Capitalists with slingshots?(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-27577663020114813442007-11-14T03:54:00.000-06:002007-11-14T03:54:00.000-06:00Ren, The point is the level of violence in Venezue...Ren, <BR/><BR/><I>The point is the level of violence in Venezuela is much higher than what happened at Kent State.</I><BR/><BR/>Granted. As you aptly put it, <BR/>"...Kent State has no place in the discussion, it's a bad analogy."<BR/><BR/>I think the larger point is that none of stories coming out from either side of this conflict make Chavez look good, and he's got the media in cities and in the Chavezuelan hinterlands all to himself. His opposition can barely get out word that they exist (at least in Venezuelan media) much less what they're about, and they're expected to sit quietly while Chavez railroads a dictatorship through their constitution.<BR/><BR/>Some leftists claim Bush and Cheney have done worse to the US Constitution, yet not one molotov cocktail yet (if you don't count the vandalism and shoot-ups of Republican campaign offices across America during the last 2 election cycles). <BR/><BR/>What's forcing the violence in Venezuela?(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.com