tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post628937871722738739..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Honduras: One week after the coup – mass mobilisation continues – Army prevents Zelaya’s come backFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-91370459300984126792009-07-10T07:43:20.096-05:002009-07-10T07:43:20.096-05:00...a blog is your property, Ren. It's yours t......a blog is your property, Ren. It's yours to do with however YOU see fit. Others need to butt the hell out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-2864785612261095882009-07-10T07:41:20.147-05:002009-07-10T07:41:20.147-05:00Here's my blog's disclaimer:
This is an o...Here's my blog's disclaimer:<br /><br /><i>This is an open, yet selectively censored forum. We encourage courtesy, but are not responsible for the comments from any poster, and when discussions get heated, crude language, insults and other “off color" comments may be encountered. Participate in this site at your own risk. And if you don't want to be selectively censored by the blog owner, then don't post! And if you don't like what you see, then leave. Nobody forced you to come here to read.</i><br /><br />You'll notice there are no rules. I simply delete whomsoever I feel like deleting...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-8973309672739173752009-07-10T07:37:50.918-05:002009-07-10T07:37:50.918-05:00Much better.
Now, enjoy!
Saul Alinsky, "Rul...Much better.<br /><br />Now, enjoy!<br /><br />Saul Alinsky, "Rules for Radicals"<br /><br /><i>4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-81536080612573271442009-07-09T19:50:54.754-05:002009-07-09T19:50:54.754-05:00I think you need to work on your use of commas and...I think you need to work on your use of commas and "and/or" statements, Ren... I'd go with:<br /><br /><i>Misogynist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic OR abusive comments will not be tolerated.</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-41489837495540267892009-07-09T16:38:06.126-05:002009-07-09T16:38:06.126-05:00The new guidelines are up.
We can start fresh, wi...The new guidelines are up.<br /><br />We can start fresh, with the next post.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-33318672975798349842009-07-09T13:24:04.623-05:002009-07-09T13:24:04.623-05:00...and if he does, we'll simply refer Ren back......and if he does, we'll simply refer Ren back to the "zeroeth law" of blog hosting ethics stated previously:<br /><br /><i>"All appeals to the blog owner for the censoring of other bloggers comments will be immediately deleted w/o consideration, as they fall into the "silly and abusive comment" category."</i><br /><br />Which would put all of Danny's posts squarely in the trash where they belong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-23397017037764217632009-07-09T09:20:17.651-05:002009-07-09T09:20:17.651-05:00FJ
I agree, but my point here - and I think it wi...FJ<br /><br />I agree, but my point here - and I think it will become a "miraculous prophecy" - is that hoffman-gill will use any such "guidelines" to constantly challenge everyman and his dog (and especially RE) over these guidelines rather then the real business of any blog in expressing actual on-topic opinions and debating them.<br /><br />In fact, after I posted my last comment I then noticed he had already put his foot in the door with that one saying "all I will say about guidelines...is that they need you to enforce them,if needed that is" - and I'm willing to wager that it will indeed be needed, and frequently too, and unfortunately it will all fall down to him to do battle on it.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-9800757924256875852009-07-09T09:19:56.977-05:002009-07-09T09:19:56.977-05:00hoffman-gill,
Straight to the baseless argumentum...hoffman-gill,<br /><br />Straight to the baseless argumentum ad hominem you claim to loath and wish to regulate! (Under section 3 of your own code actually.)<br /><br />We both know that you a real coward: From the small things like not turning up to that little event (and of course telling no one else before hand), then lying about it in a most exaggerated fashion, then making a post about me and then enabling comment moderation in order to slag me off without recourse - through to the major things like casually calling for the curb on freedoms that you have never bothered to defend.<br /><br />I haven't backtracked at all, nor did I "deny" insinuating you are a fascist; I say it straight out here: I think you are a fascist.<br /><br />What I did was to rationally analyse my actual utterances in line with Renegade Eye's response. That was all. I work on logic, not empty populist emotion and hysteria. But I am highly amused that you find there could be any possible reason as to why I would make a "terrible backwards move" - what possible consequence would there be that would make do that?!! Absolutely none that I know of. That is the major difference between you and I - I am honest, I say exactly what I mean even if it is unpopular or uncomfortable or has politically motivated consequences- the principle of 'even in minority of one, the truth is still the truth.'<br /><br />As for your definition of fascism, I wonder how long it took you on goggle to collate such a disparate list of features, and then fail to understand the fundamental principle that without individuals there are no parties, no movements - without fascist people there are no fascist governments (though you have no trouble calling individuals 'Nazis'.) Orwell, a great thinker who actually fought fascists had this to say: "The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable" and the closest Mussolini came to defining his movement was the "mergence of corporation and state" - the reason being, and the reason that it so hard for people to independently define is that it was a totally nihilistic; a black hole; power for powers sake.<br /><br />And that sums you up perfectly; you don't appear to actually believe in anything at all other then your own infalliablity. No core belief, no ideolgy no postion just a mindless sheeple regurgitation of the current populist PC sentiment.<br /><br />As for the rest of your gibberish, I have already provided your online track record of you insulting peoples dead mothers, laughing at incest, joking about rape and using extreme obscenities, including the term "slimy c*nt" here on this blog - so don't make me laugh about wanting a "safe environment." You are a hypocrite of the worst type. Are you really surprised that you seem to attract so much hatred - no on else that comments on this blog seems to get that much malicious attention directed towards them - why is that, do you think?<br /><br />And onto another lie - "the only comments I delete on my blog are ones that use personal insults or attacks" you also use censorship to hide behind whilst insulting people and lying about people. <br /><br />You are as see through as you are shallow with all your pathetic "I challenge you" rubbish - that is exactly what you crave; I have rarely seen you express an on-topic opinion here or anywhere else; it always seems to degenerate into a gutter farce whenever you appear.<br /><br />I challenge you to be a normal rational human being who accepts that people have ideas and opinions other then the ones you subscribe to and they are entitled to air them so long as they use logic and evidence; I challenge you to stop your extreme abuse online and stop blaming the "heat of the moment" when we all know that first you have to log in, then type your comment, then enter the anti spam letters, then hit publish; I challenge you to be honest and use reason rather then emotion, facts rather then slogans in debate. Can you do that please?The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-92175551935100410262009-07-09T07:03:29.162-05:002009-07-09T07:03:29.162-05:00ps- Danny, gnothi seauton. But then, I repeat mys...ps- Danny, gnothi seauton. But then, I repeat myself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-53632385025957740832009-07-09T06:51:58.963-05:002009-07-09T06:51:58.963-05:00Every state, modern or ancient, requires an execut...Every state, modern or ancient, requires an executioner if there is to be any semblance of order maintained in that state (<a href="http://maistre.ath.cx:8000/st_petersburg.html" rel="nofollow">Joseph de Maistre</a>). Absolute "free speech" on a blog is for anarchists and idiots.<br /><br />I've got no problem w/Ren being the comment "judge" and "executioner" provided he never allows Hoffman-Gill a say in specifically who/what/when a comment gets executed/deleted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-69483548311060897592009-07-09T04:11:36.068-05:002009-07-09T04:11:36.068-05:00Sentinel, I know you're a coward but the terri...Sentinel, I know you're a coward but the terrible backwards move you've just done on denying insinuating I was a fascist is quite amusing.<br /><br />Your definition of fascist is also wrong, you know as well I do that fascism is a politcal ideology first and foremost, the key criteria being a highly authorative nationalism and corporatist economic strategy.<br /><br />Fascism is the idea that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict, where only the strong survive. It's about single party states that dispise the capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept.<br /><br />Fascism is anti-individualism, anti-rationalism, anti-liberalism, anti-conservatism and anti-communism. <br /><br />That is fascism.<br /><br />I find it odd that you keep attacking me Sentinel, I ignored your previous lengthy comment but still you have to pick, to attack me, don't you?<br /><br />I will repeat, I have no interest in censorship here but a safe environment, that is all.<br /><br />You keep digging up old arguments and vomiting them back up to no effect.<br /><br />Plenty of people on here need some level of guidance on their comments, both you, FJ, Pagan and many others, myself included have stepped over the line often enough.<br /><br />Also, the only comments I delete on my blog are ones that use personal insults or attacks, hence why I have moderation on at the moment, or to avoid tit-for-tat comment degeneration, like we have here; where tow immovable objects trade insults.<br /><br />You are obsessed with me Sentinel and passing judgement.<br /><br />I challenge you to stop commenting about me, I challenge you to leave me alone, I challenge you to ignore me and leave me in peace here so I can return?<br /><br />Can you do that please?Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-44760662844317500252009-07-09T03:53:46.597-05:002009-07-09T03:53:46.597-05:00Renegade Eye,
Actually, I never called hoffman-gi...Renegade Eye,<br /><br />Actually, I never called hoffman-gill a fascist per se, I said that fascists are defined by their actions not by labels and given that the word 'fascist' appears to have no real hard and fast meaning (I would be interested in your definition of fascism though) the closest accepted definition of its main features is the actual or desired suppression of freedom of speech and opposition through authoritarianism and censorship, and hoffman-gill most certainly fits into that bracket. <br /><br />The "guidelines" nonsense proffered by him is not even remotely in good faith, it is just another attempt by this shallow narcissist to have some control over someone else's realm when his main tenet of outright censorship has been flatly rejected; I think that and his disingenuous claims to disagree with censorship - known in the blog world as "comment moderation" - can be quite easily gathered given the fact that: 1) he is the only one on this blog (and elsewhere) that I have seen in need of any guidelines on acceptable language and behaviour 2) he practices censorship and underhanded games himself on his own blog (unacceptable comments take one second to delete) 3) he enthusiastically agreed with censorship here already 4) if this is his approach to something as abstract and insignificant as a blog, can you imagine given any real power what he would do?<br /><br />Now I'm no physchic but I can safely predict that the next step after the "guidelines", the next game, will then will be to constantly challenge everyman and his dog - especially you - that these guidelines have been breached and his target - invariably a dissenter from the shallow hoffman-gill world of the PC party line - needs to be censored and / or banned as he so desires.<br /><br />You watch and see if I'm right...<br /><br />But all in all, given that this guy loves to throw labels around as often as he blinks in order to maliciously pigeon hole an opinion and as a prerequisite to some sort of self perceived moral authority for abuse, it has hardly been an injustice that he has been held to a standard and introduced to a label himself.<br /><br />When all is said and done, this blog is your ball, play with it how you will - it is not really an important issue in life.<br /><br />Incidentally, I can follow your logic about if Bush was fascist why were blogs still online, but not even by a long stretch can I comprehend "Daniel is not a fascist. If he was both of our blogs would be shut down" - how does that even compute?<br /><br />And where are these elusive blogs you speak of?The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-19460705404588064722009-07-09T03:33:05.838-05:002009-07-09T03:33:05.838-05:00Ren,
All I will say about guidelines, by the way...Ren, <br /><br />All I will say about guidelines, by the way you can add them to the comment form itself rather than the post, is that they need you to enforce them, if needed that is. <br /><br />As FJ points out it would not be wise to have people requesting they are deleted.<br /><br />As for guidelines over at mine, I don't need them, my posts to not stir debate as over here, also, I am being attacked by a BNP supporter at the moment who is using anti-Semitic, racist, sexually abusive language directed at me and my partner, hence the moderation.<br /><br />He has not interest in any guidelines and the soul aim is to hurt me, which is a shame.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-12121201678672798792009-07-09T03:28:38.778-05:002009-07-09T03:28:38.778-05:00Ab Abusu Ad Usum Non Valet Consequentia, eh FJ?Ab Abusu Ad Usum Non Valet Consequentia, eh FJ?Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-79975903998134781622009-07-09T01:28:34.183-05:002009-07-09T01:28:34.183-05:00Daniel: I think guidelines is a good idea. Even i...Daniel: I think guidelines is a good idea. Even if I don't have a moderation policy, there has always been an attempt at decorum. I'll have guidelines with the next post. It might be good for your blog as well.<br /><br />Sentinel: I fought hard against left/liberals, who called Bush fascist. I would often say if he is fascist, why is your blog online? I believe from political experience, unless you are precise with your political definitions, it can only lead to incorrect political solutions. Stalin called social democrats in Germany social fascists, that led to Hitler coming to power. Trotsky opposed Hitler, eleven years before Churchill, because he had a correct definition. Daniel is not a fascist. If he was both of our blogs would be shut down.<br /><br />There are other lefty blogs, that have commenters from other views.<br /><br />Larry G; I believe that politically you become stronger, if you know what your opposition is thinking. An example is, "Palestinians don't exist." If I didn't interract with rightists, I would be unprepared. Another example is from FJ, you can learn every anti-Zalaya argument in the universe. On the other hand there is a dialectic. He probably never thought about socialism in one country, and what that means.<br /><br />Tony: I do want to hide at times. I don't only get heat from the right.<br /><br />FJ: Arias was a fool to try to mediate this struggle. Zalaya is somewhat of a historical accident, like Mousavi in Iran. Thrust at the head of a movement by circumstances. Populism is a historical accident, it comes when revolutionary leadership is absent.<br /><br />Pagan: I missed the boat on Michael Jackson. As for pedophillia, how about how Paris Jackson was used by the media? That was terrible.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-38807851510523566002009-07-08T18:30:10.882-05:002009-07-08T18:30:10.882-05:00gnothi seauton, eh Danny?gnothi seauton, eh Danny?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-14343354656468836132009-07-08T17:06:19.905-05:002009-07-08T17:06:19.905-05:00Tony, of course it is up to Ren, I couldn't ag...Tony, of course it is up to Ren, I couldn't agree more, I make no effort to dictate a thing, just wanted to agree with Larry. Also can I just add that there may be challenge that in itself is not worth anything, there is no fluidity in ideas, only a few people shouting at each other, no sharing of ideas, not in the real sense anyway but that's only my opinion.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-30597334600555133462009-07-08T15:00:48.000-05:002009-07-08T15:00:48.000-05:00Please Stand In Line And Form An Orderly Coup........<i><b>Please Stand In Line And Form An Orderly Coup..........</b></i>tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746435400444226665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-59578493057582459892009-07-08T14:51:13.872-05:002009-07-08T14:51:13.872-05:00If nothing else, Ren, at least now you know how Os...If nothing else, Ren, at least now you know how Oscar Arias feels when trying to mediate between Mel Zelaya & Bob Micheletti...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-90309059129342655512009-07-08T12:00:27.274-05:002009-07-08T12:00:27.274-05:00hoffmann-gill,
As ever you are the self centred, ...hoffmann-gill,<br /><br />As ever you are the self centred, attention seeking narcissistic luvvy that wants the world to revolve around him and set the terms and rules for everyone else.<br /><br />Renegade Eye has said TWICE in this thread alone - and God knows how many times elsewhere - that he doesn't want to implement your demands of censorship but yet still you try to impose your will on him and everyone else here.<br /><br />And then, as always you try to claim victimhood and equity in the natural backlash of calling for others to be <br />silenced.<br /><br /><br />1) That is your interpretation of events and not mine. You see how censorship is subjective and insidious?<br /><br /><br />2) Again, interpretation.<br /><br /><br />3) You call for freedom of speech to be abolished or curtailed and for opinion to be destroyed.<br /><br /><br />4) Actually, I didn't even mention that I served at all defending these freedoms, just the fact that you did not.<br /><br /><br />5) Oh yes I did - quite thoroughly as all there know. You might want others to have the memories of a fruit fly but most do not.<br /><br />But I will prove it again here in any case:<br /><br />LG: "Comments moderation please!" <br /><br />DHG:" to echo and support the words of Larry Gambone, he is right"<br /><br />and then <br /><br />DHG: "As I said, I don't think moderation is the answer"<br /><br /><br />You are a liar.<br /><br /><br />6) I'm sure you don't like your hypocrisy held up to public scrutiny, and Im sure that is why you practise censorship yourself and incite others too - but the fact remains that your behaviour is in the gutter; you language is in the gutter and your ethics are in the gutter. FJ did not take the debate to the extremes that you did by a long chalk and it was your behaviour that closed the debate down.<br /><br />Rational people are not offended by opposing opinions but they are offended by people like you insulting peoples dead mothers, laughing at incest, joking about rape and using extreme obscenities.<br /><br /><br />7) Name calling is gratuitous or inane - that is an accurate description of your behaviour. <br /><br /><br />8) "I second Larry's comment" - and as someone who uses extreme abuse and obscenities you are in good company - I have highlighted before how Larry's first reaction (quite some time ago now and in a much different place) to my posting a rational and evidenced comment linking Hillary Clinton to AIPAC was to tell me that I had been incestuously molested as a child. And it got worse from there.<br /><br /><br />9) "Also, no disrespect, but you are a relative no comer" - and this blog had the same freedom of speech policy from the start, so you are the one who is out of place here - and out of order.<br /><br /><br />10) I was able to quote one of our leading thinkers on why censorship is wrong, can you reciprocate with why censorship is right? And Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini don't count.<br /><br /><br />The fact is that unlike some many, many others, Renegade Eye clearly has integrity and conviction in his beliefs and is not afraid of opposing opinion. He doesn't need constant affirmation, doesn't need to use abuse, doesn't need to play underhanded games, and doesn't need to hide behind cowardly walls and destroy dissent. <br /><br />In three years of using this medium I think Renegade Eye is the ONLY one on the left that warrants my respect because of his obvious conviction of belief and pro-freedom of speech stance.<br /><br />I may not agree with his beliefs (but there are things we have agreed on) but I unreservedly respect his right to his beliefs and his freedom to express them.<br /><br />That is what freedom is all about. <br /><br />Anyone who wants to try and remove even one element of that is very, very dangerous and would walk us down the path of tyranny.<br /><br />Take care.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-12856804570164424482009-07-08T11:45:34.022-05:002009-07-08T11:45:34.022-05:00Daniel , most blogs dont challenge the reader/comm...Daniel , most blogs dont challenge the reader/commentator.Things usually get cosy & it ends up with like-minded people reinforcing one another.......This one , on the other hand,can be uncomfortable for all concerned.<br />If it were my blog I would probably either be abusive back or burst into tears (or both!).But Fair Play To Ren for doing neither.<br />It up to Ren I think.<br />But ,yes, I,m the new kid on the block........tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746435400444226665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-74702750504921147052009-07-08T11:12:07.359-05:002009-07-08T11:12:07.359-05:00Tony, I disagree, I presume that in the case of ab...Tony, I disagree, I presume that in the case of abusive comments being left you would think moderation useful?<br /><br />As I said, I don't think moderation is the answer, just some guidelines for posting.<br /><br />Also, no disrespect, but you are a relative no comer and those of us that have been around a while have noticed a real sea-change here and have stayed away.<br /><br />Take care.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-18979580508093865212009-07-08T11:10:06.178-05:002009-07-08T11:10:06.178-05:00Hey Ren It's Party Time!
Dont moderate.Your bl...Hey Ren It's Party Time!<br />Dont moderate.Your blog is unique in that it allows a space for all.You are the most generous amoung us.Comment Moderation is like closing your eyes.If people believe something, putting a gag or a blindfold on them doesnt <i>make an opinion go away</i>. <br />saying that, whats this all got to do with Honduras?<br />[Although the comments here DO sometimes feel like a MasterClass in how coups begin..........]tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746435400444226665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-67708587889497993222009-07-08T10:40:53.715-05:002009-07-08T10:40:53.715-05:00I second Larry's comment.I second Larry's comment.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-46325075572685439162009-07-08T10:40:01.781-05:002009-07-08T10:40:01.781-05:00Sentinel:
Do you intend for this to be another ch...Sentinel:<br /><br />Do you intend for this to be another chance for a tit-for-tat? Another chance for you to empty all your evident spite and hatred in my direction? If so I will not participate.<br /><br />1) The fact stands I was asking Ren a question and you dived in to attack me, it would be your comments, not mine in this thread that would face removal. You're making excuses for personal attacks, hence why I left here in the first place.<br /><br />2) No it doesn't, it is a matter of fact but if the blog owner decided that it was the case the comment would be removed.<br /><br />3) I do not act like a facist but you calling me one reflects badly on you.<br /><br />4) I had no doubt you would not use evidence and I have a right to doubt you and beleive you are lying, just as you have a right to dig up and out of context, like a broken record, comments from other blogs and heated debates there.<br /><br />5) You have not proven such a thing at all.<br /><br />6) Again, digging up old news out of context and refusing to acknowledge that it takes tow to tango in any heated debate. Tow wrongs to not make a right and I would accpet any censure that the blog owner would devise including deletion of my comments BUT the comments would not have degenrated if action had been taken at an earler stage in the process.<br /><br />"You are nothing less then an astounding, hysterical, abusive, bigoted and anti-freedom hypocrite."<br /><br />Nice name callling that adds a lot to this blog and once again show all you care about is having a go at me...again, when I have done no such thing to you.<br /><br />Take care Sentinel.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.com