tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post464807958607338047..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Launch of the Council of Ex-Muslims BritainFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-73639897413585893222007-07-06T04:22:00.000-05:002007-07-06T04:22:00.000-05:00If I remember, there is even something in the Qu'r...If I remember, there is even something in the Qu'ran that alludes to the blame being placed on the father and brothers of a female who denounces Islam or marries an "infidel." Or maybe that is just a Saudi thing...<BR/>---------------<BR/>Nadia , i think it is a saudi thing <BR/><BR/><BR/>Quran 10:108 Proclaim: "O people, the truth has come to you herein from your Lord. <B>Whoever is guided is guided for his own good. And whoever goes astray, goes astray to his own detriment</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-73646750833226656482007-06-25T21:23:00.000-05:002007-06-25T21:23:00.000-05:00Sorry, Ren, for missing a lot of the discussion. I...Sorry, Ren, for missing a lot of the discussion. I've been a bit busy lately. <BR/><BR/>Southpaw: <I>No-one calls me, or anyone else white a 'Christian' unless we chose to identify ourselves as such.</I><BR/>SP- Actually, I beg to differ here. Being in Fargo, North Dakota, and living my high school years in a small, all-Christian town, people commonly assume that you are Christian all the time. And I'm not even very white, I was the darkest person in school, apart from my brother. <BR/><BR/>Ren-<BR/>I agree that it is hard to leave Islam. If I remember, there is even something in the Qu'ran that alludes to the blame being placed on the father and brothers of a female who denounces Islam or marries an "infidel." Or maybe that is just a Saudi thing...<BR/>The effect of someone leaving can lead to extremes of a type of "excommunication" from "the family"(my own male cousin told me how "the family" very is displeased.) <BR/><BR/>When I was younger, from just trying to argue to my parents about the ideologoly of Islam, I got severely threatened that I was to be sent back to the K.S.A (and even got very close once at age 14, according to an aunt).<BR/><BR/> Also, Another, total extreme would be an honor killing.Nadia A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08703101945104328846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-72135947150664284032007-06-24T19:50:00.000-05:002007-06-24T19:50:00.000-05:00John Brown2: I'm too much of a tormented soul to ...John Brown2: I'm too much of a tormented soul to sign on to another blog. I did find humor there. I'm not sure if I should be flattered.<BR/><BR/>Mohamed: I know you are a progressive person. I think if you read more of Maryam's writing, you'd agree with much of what she says.<BR/><BR/>Sonia: Maryam's group is against outside intervention.<BR/><BR/>I agree several of the corrupt third world governments, as Zimbabwe's, are ripe for change. I've been looking to add an African writer.<BR/><BR/>Maryam's group has been doing outstanding work, making public the plight of Iranians, particularly political prisoners, and trade unionists.<BR/><BR/>I didn't ask her to do anything that wasn't already in her party's program. I was asking how things are tied together by her party, and how the new group fits in as part of the whole?Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-84885761426224783532007-06-24T14:48:00.000-05:002007-06-24T14:48:00.000-05:00Ooo yes! the council of ex-muslims! Whatever that ...Ooo yes! the council of ex-muslims! Whatever that might mean. Those folks are in the business of making things seem unlike what they are. The problems of the middle east are everything other than people's inability to leave islam! how does the proclaimed brutality o Islam compare with the 100s of millions killed by western hands in the past century alone?<BR/><BR/>It is an age old business to take practices of small groups in any community and claim it to be a universal problem and brush the whole group with it! this is how Islam is being fought today..regularly! This whole thing seems childish and utterly rubbish! Another group finding a business opportunity, just Islam bashing and then cashing!Mohamed A. H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07989700621135507989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-74182897525787163332007-06-24T08:24:00.000-05:002007-06-24T08:24:00.000-05:00Ren,Her group has duties to work against the inter...Ren,<BR/><BR/><I>Her group has duties to work against the intervention.</I><BR/><BR/>It is not up to an AMERICAN like you, Ren, to tell anybody what their duties are. If Iranian Marxists want to encourage foreign interventions, they certainly have that right. A true German Marxist certainly encourages foreign intervention in 1933-1945. Iraqi arxists supported US removal of Saddam Hussein, for example. When you're drowning, you will even hang on to a open razor...<BR/><BR/><I>Overthrow reactionaries at home....</I> <BR/><BR/>If I remember well, that was the advise that Stalin gave to German Communists when they were fleeing Germany and tried to come to the Soviet Union. He usually deported them back... <BR/><BR/><I>Having a program that puts demands on governments, educates and builds confidence in your political base, is what Marxists do.</I><BR/><BR/>No. Marxists overthrow repressive governments BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. In case of Iranian Marxists, that might even mean working with the Americans (or the devil himself).<BR/><BR/>I think you're confusing Marxist ideology with anti-American paranoia. They are not the same thing. Right now, objectively speaking, the West in general is more 'Marxist' than any Third World country (from China to Iran to Zimbabwe). The true reactionaries are Third World dictators. The workers are oppressed more in the Third World than in the West. Marxist revolutions will inevitably come to those countries first.<BR/><BR/>And if you discourage them from organizing those revolutions because of your paranoid anti-Americanism, then you're not a real Trotskyist.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-238348104105252542007-06-24T03:47:00.000-05:002007-06-24T03:47:00.000-05:00Apparently there's a bunch of people who think the...Apparently there's a bunch of people who think they can just shut off their comments and be free of me and my <A HREF="http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa268/wsredden/Mumia4Pres2008-2.jpg" REL="nofollow">pictures</A>. <BR/><BR/>But, I'm going to keep posting them, because I fight censorship!<BR/><BR/>And, because I love all of you, you can <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/i.g?inviteID=3975913885595243020&blogID=29856427" REL="nofollow">join my blog right now!</A>John Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04039863478422386414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-13402620097649721622007-06-23T23:57:00.000-05:002007-06-23T23:57:00.000-05:00I'm not opposed to the work the organization does,...I'm not opposed to the work the organization does, or its goals.<BR/><BR/>I'm coming from this perspective. Maryam is a leader of an Iranian based Marxist group. Iran is facing possible US/Israeli invasion. Her group has duties to work against the intervention, at the same time overthrow reactionaries at home.<BR/><BR/>Having a program that puts demands on governments, educates and builds confidence in your political base, is what Marxists do.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-78863919666100601892007-06-23T23:50:00.001-05:002007-06-23T23:50:00.001-05:00sounds like a very progressive initiative to mesounds like a very progressive initiative to meLeftyHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05870433011584211043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-41507674888171151792007-06-23T23:34:00.000-05:002007-06-23T23:34:00.000-05:00Why shouldn't Maryam lead this group? Isn't she an...Why shouldn't Maryam lead this group? Isn't she an ex-Muslim herself? If so, what better person to lead it? From what I got out of it, she isn't attacking Islam as a faith, she is attacking the more fundamentalist elements of it that oppress their people, especially their women. As well as the shit they lay on their own kids. <BR/><BR/>What I also got out of it was that she is demanding governments such as Britain not condone their actions, or allow the radical groups to speak for all people of Muslim heritage, whether they want them to or not. <BR/><BR/>I never read anything that sounded like she was saying "outlaw Islam". Just that the government should respect the rights of those that want to leave the faith to do so and should not protect, promote or endorse the same fundamentalist factions that would attack them for doing so.<BR/><BR/>If she was once a Muslim I would guess she knows how they are better than most. She certainly has the right to demand that they follow the same laws as everybody else and not be granted special rights and privileges based on their religion, which is something else I got out of her post.<BR/><BR/>She's a hell of a lot more tolerant than I would be towards them, I'll tell you that. My tolerance is zero with those fucking people. <BR/><BR/>It's going to take real demonstrable and provable change on their part to convince me to feel otherwise, not the words of whining apologists attacking a woman who is at least TRYING to make a difference.SecondComingOfBasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336586430250490679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-59403458305410187982007-06-23T19:13:00.000-05:002007-06-23T19:13:00.000-05:00I am sorry to hear that the blog has been attacked...I am sorry to hear that the blog has been attacked by spammers. Then again, they will do anything to take progressive sites down. A sign of fear I think. <BR/><BR/>I think that it is an interesting organization. It isn't really an Islamophobic one. It merely seems to take a stance against reactionary fundamentalist forms. <BR/><BR/>I do agree with Renegade Eye's question of Maryam leading it, though.Tula 49https://www.blogger.com/profile/11058430678565061800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-38613423993947320572007-06-23T12:15:00.000-05:002007-06-23T12:15:00.000-05:00CB makes some good points:If M's gonna arbitrarily...CB makes some good points:<BR/><BR/>If M's gonna arbitrarily attack Islam, why not attack Christianity, too? After all, she's right there in London; outside of Rome, I can think of no better place for a Crusade against the bloody legacy of Christian Imperialism.<BR/><BR/>On the pervert front, Ren: <BR/>The same guys have hit my blog pretty hard.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://thebeakspeaks.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">The Beak's not directly involved here</A>, I don't think, but he's responsible for plugging BEAMISH's disgusting crap on <A HREF="http://mullahbeak.blogspot.com/2007/06/please-welcome-our-newest-blogger-miss_2381.html" REL="nofollow">the website</A>.John Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01515280071887632569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-9711192072116230442007-06-23T02:13:00.000-05:002007-06-23T02:13:00.000-05:00Renegade, my blog was attacked by porn spammers in...Renegade, my blog was attacked by porn spammers in January as well, but survived it. Some people hate us progressive activists to the extent they cant tolerate our progressive ideas. <BR/><BR/>Now the funny about people indorsing ex-Muslims (I promote secular thoughts) if Jews promote ex-Jews idea, they would be tagged anti-Semite.MarxistFromLebanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02742943269564177293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-18918555513407725212007-06-22T17:50:00.000-05:002007-06-22T17:50:00.000-05:00My blog was attacked with racist, pornographic spa...<B>My blog was attacked with racist, pornographic spam. I know the perpetuator will find it hilarious, that I opened the link at a public library, where children could possibly see it.<BR/><BR/>I won't let my blog go to hell, without taking down an enemy blog. </B>Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-61858352143079793862007-06-22T11:26:00.000-05:002007-06-22T11:26:00.000-05:00See Head To Toe Veils.<B>See <A HREF="http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=6263112" REL="nofollow">Head To Toe Veils</A></B>.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-71337405517962486022007-06-22T08:50:00.000-05:002007-06-22T08:50:00.000-05:00For all pundits, swalow this:Lived in Middle East?...For all pundits, swalow this:<BR/>Lived in Middle East?<BR/>No.<BR/>Been to Middle East?<BR/>No.<BR/>Been to Muslim country?<BR/>No.<BR/>Know any Arabs?<BR/>No.<BR/>Know any Muslims?<BR/>No.<BR/>Got any universty/college degree in political studies/history/Middle freaking East?<BR/>My guess: No.<BR/><BR/>First rule in Diplomacy you so much adore (as long as it's far away and you don't have to resort to it) is talking. Talking, not parroting. First you talk, learn, then judge. Oh, I forgot, your foreign policy is "Nuke them, then ask questions", provide you find their mouths in the nuclear dust.Puppeteerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05507318882182281465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-3938143897636065372007-06-22T06:56:00.000-05:002007-06-22T06:56:00.000-05:00If I am unclear about the logical inconsistency, t...If I am unclear about the logical inconsistency, think of it this way. Charlie Parker was the greatest saxaphonist to ever pick up a horn. He was also a heroine addict. Because of his greatness, a whole generation of jazz artists started popping smack as if that was the reason for Bird's greatness.<BR/><BR/>The heroine wasn't what contributed to his greatness, it was what caused his premature death. The logical inconsistency for the musicians that Parker=great musician, Parker=heroine addict therefore If I want to be a great musician, I must too be a heroine addict.<BR/><BR/>This reasoning is what plagues Maryam's approach to Islam, religion and socialism.Craig Bardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02247430738711822531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-53426785747455665192007-06-22T06:45:00.000-05:002007-06-22T06:45:00.000-05:00Ren,I acknowledged the difficulty they face leavin...Ren,<BR/><BR/>I acknowledged the difficulty they face leaving Islam, which is not permitted by their "faith," puppet's derision notwithstanding.'<BR/><BR/>Your question to Maryam sort of gets at the cross purposes I see in her statement (albeit we have a different take). It don't think it serves her well to at once rail against religion in general because of her experience with Islam, because that experience doesn't address religion, it addresses the strain that is Islam.<BR/><BR/>She's trying too hard and not connecting the dots. It is apparent she is an atheist and socialist and seeks support for that position as one of "reason." But this is as logically inconsistent as Trotsky's statement in Mexico just before his death about being a dialectial materialist and therefore, an atheist - atheism does not logically follow from dialectical materialism, even though that's what Marx chose for himself.<BR/><BR/>Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what she says except with respect to Islam, but she would help herself and her message by sticking to one thing at a time or at least linking two things that logically follow from one another. She won't leave people scratching their heads like she has even though she's taking what I think is a courageous stand against unreformed Islam.Craig Bardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02247430738711822531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-71456729745579590312007-06-22T06:33:00.000-05:002007-06-22T06:33:00.000-05:00Puppeteer, ex-Muslim (...) I don't know, but they ...Puppeteer, <BR/><BR/><I>ex-Muslim (...) I don't know, but they make it sounds like some shameful disease, like as if they're saying "I'm an ex-syfilis" or ex-leper.</I><BR/><BR/>Good observation. Now ask yourself WHY they are saying that. Maybe, just maybe, there is a good reason for it...<BR/><BR/>Ren,<BR/><BR/><I>I question you leading it (...) what does this mean as a socialist? How do you fight for democratic rights from a class perspective?</I><BR/><BR/>You sound like a Communist Party ideologue-in-chief... Don't tell me Mikhail Suslov got reincarnated...soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-56302054642681880392007-06-22T00:36:00.000-05:002007-06-22T00:36:00.000-05:00Renegade,I don't agree with you. Quiting Islam is ...Renegade,<BR/><BR/>I don't agree with you. Quiting Islam is as easy as anything. One only need to be convinced. I am happy when hearing that our (atheist) number is increasing, that means also a bigger chance for humanity turning to more rational thinking.<BR/>What I don't understand is this defying ostentacious way they express their Islamophobia. In my book, they're not much different than those raging defying raving mullahs they pretend to be fighting.<BR/>And the other thing is the way ex-Muslim sounds, or is being used. I don't know, but they make it sounds like some shameful disease, like as if they're saying "I'm an ex-syfilis" or ex-leper.Puppeteerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05507318882182281465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-33089361089041585092007-06-21T23:34:00.000-05:002007-06-21T23:34:00.000-05:00Southpaw: It's about time you commented at my blog...Southpaw: It's about time you commented at my blog. I've been starting to think the UK left hates me.<BR/><BR/>Craig: Leaving Islam is harder than quitting your church or synagogue. There is a reason for her group.<BR/><BR/>John Brown: Maryam is not one of the clash of civilizations group. She is a leader of a communist group with comrades in Iraq and Iran. Her group is playing an active role against mullahs in Iran, and opposing imperialist intervention. My blog doesn't have reactionary writers.<BR/><BR/>I will post soon on the Israeli boycott. My position is different than you'd expect.<BR/><BR/>Maryam: I'm not against the group or the program. I question you leading it. The question is for me, is what does this mean as a socialist? How do you fight for democratic rights from a class perspective?<BR/><BR/>reidski: Nice surprise you commented.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-42233395078078378912007-06-21T22:23:00.000-05:002007-06-21T22:23:00.000-05:00I will not be sucked into the fraud CB, that is yo...I will not be sucked into the fraud CB, that is your department.liberal white boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02516512401414441594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-10068301008489074802007-06-21T22:02:00.000-05:002007-06-21T22:02:00.000-05:00Given all the pedophiles and rapist politicians ru...Given all the <A HREF="http://forums.techguy.org/civilized-debate/468952-35-israeli-soldiers-rape-11-a.html" REL="nofollow">pedophiles</A> and rapist politicians running Apartheid Israel (their recently deposed President, for example), you don't have to go back to Muhammed if it's demented sexual perversion you're after, do you CB?<BR/><BR/>All you need to do is look at the Zionist fake state... right here and right now.John Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01515280071887632569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-30591064529763932402007-06-21T21:28:00.000-05:002007-06-21T21:28:00.000-05:00Yes LWB,I must genitally mutilate the women, force...Yes LWB,<BR/><BR/>I must genitally mutilate the women, force them to wear the hijab and stone them if they are caught in the presence of a man not their husband or son.<BR/><BR/>As for those other sons of Abraham, from the line of Issac, "the chosen of God," how dare they suggest that the Prophet Mohammed, Peace be upon him, was a child molestor because he married a 14 year old girl. I will "choose" them, but I am too valuable to go myself, I will send my 12 year old son strapped with bombs to bring the infidels to their knees, just after I find reguge in my shelter...Allahu AkbarCraig Bardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02247430738711822531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-43177565032596923862007-06-21T21:14:00.000-05:002007-06-21T21:14:00.000-05:00cb"controlled by their apartheid loving, kosher di...cb<BR/><BR/>"controlled by their apartheid loving, kosher diet eating, Sabbath keeping, yamulke wearing, blood of Arab children drinking overlords"<BR/><BR/>Yes this is good cb, spit out that nasty zionist worm thats been eating at your intestines. Come join the human race. Stay at it brother, you are almost there.liberal white boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02516512401414441594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-80447657601424477912007-06-21T20:38:00.000-05:002007-06-21T20:38:00.000-05:00John,I'm certainly happy to see that your Judeo-Ch...John,<BR/><BR/>I'm certainly happy to see that your Judeo-Christian task masters controlled by their apartheid loving, kosher diet eating, Sabbath keeping, yamulke wearing, blood of Arab children drinking overlords allowed you time out of your shackles to enter your contribution to this thread...I'm sure it was just a pause on their way to kill more Iraqi children and oppress some more Palestinians and keep them from expressing their religion of peace, just before beheading an infidel. Allahu AkbarCraig Bardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02247430738711822531noreply@blogger.com