tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post3787641869052486534..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Chavez Proposes Changes to Venezuela’s Constitution to Pave Way for SocialismFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-25639558232327678502007-08-28T14:56:00.000-05:002007-08-28T14:56:00.000-05:00On topic... Sign's capital is fleeing Venezuela bi...On topic... Sign's <A HREF="http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20070827\ACQDJON200708271703DOWJONESDJONLINE000327.htm&selected=9999&selecteddisplaysymbol=9999&StoryTargetFrame=_top&mkt=WORLD&chk=unchecked&lang=&link=&headlinereturnpage=http://www.international.na" REL="nofollow">capital is fleeing</A> Venezuela <I>bigtime</I>...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-65486948189122739652007-08-27T21:32:00.000-05:002007-08-27T21:32:00.000-05:00I wasn't complaining, only making a simple point. ...I wasn't complaining, only making a simple point. Some discussions are best with whom you agree. <BR/><BR/>I don't visit blogs to be Devil's Advocate, all the time.<BR/><BR/>If some rightist blogger who has a blog I visit posts about who is better for conservatism, McCain or Romney, I might choose most likely to say nothing. I have the right to say what I want. I think the blogger would be happier talking to friends.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-87562331192382411622007-08-27T20:02:00.000-05:002007-08-27T20:02:00.000-05:00RenThe comments you describe were not on your blog...Ren<BR/><BR/>The comments you describe were not on your blog. The owner of the blog understood the points and agreed with a few.<BR/><BR/>You have a infantile habit of crying about comments written long ago on other blogs. You need to man up and quit crying. Your antics are amusing for someone who labeled Junglemom as thin skinned.<BR/><BR/>Feel free to ask the duck or whomever if they have been censored. <BR/><BR/>You need to quit crying and man up.<BR/><BR/>Remember, you have largely been left alone and your wishes respected. Contrast that to the behavior my friends have endured from John Brown for three years.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you should look at your friends more closely. <BR/><BR/>I kept my comments here off the main post in respect of your wishes.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-41390348189537881302007-08-27T12:46:00.000-05:002007-08-27T12:46:00.000-05:00Speaking of countries the US hegemony has plans fo...Speaking of countries the US hegemony has plans for....Mark Prime (tpm/Confession Zero)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04683863540465969835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-53573200149069205382007-08-27T06:51:00.000-05:002007-08-27T06:51:00.000-05:00Ren just as the antiwar protestors have their free...Ren just as the antiwar protestors have their freedom of speech so do I. I have always been curious to see how many people knew these events were organized by commies and their reaction.<BR/><BR/>I have asked hundreds of people and very few were aware. Peope who attend these rallies have a right to know who they are marching with.<BR/><BR/>This is another case of commies abusing a cause to promote themselves. <BR/><BR/>Now onto my question.<BR/><BR/>1 Do rational people have reasons to be anticommunist given the repeated disaster and self evident <BR/>history?<BR/>2 How is your brand x communism differednt from that of Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Jim Jones, Ayers and the Red Army factions.<BR/>3 What did Lenin say about lying to further the cause?<BR/>4 What is revolutionary defeatism?<BR/>5 Have communists commited treason in the USA and lied about it for decades?<BR/><BR/>The USA is not Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela. I go where I please and am protected by the first amendment. You certainly know about that amendment it is the one commies abuse when practicing revolutionary defeatism. Then you are ready to practice the fifth amendment if the political winds change. <BR/><BR/>Have you practiced the fifth amendment in between bong hits?<BR/><BR/>As a courtesy I restricted my comments off the active post at the top. <BR/><BR/>You need to stop crying victim and let things go. Rational people loathe communists and laugh at anarchists. Sorry if reality is painful but you need to accept it.<BR/><BR/>I have never seen a person cry victim reflexively. So what are you a victim of your own history?<BR/>Was your blog ever spammed? Were you harassed for years and called a pedophile? Were you mocked for surviving a terrorist attack? Were you ever threatened? Were your children threatened? Were you subjected to racial and ethnic slurs?<BR/><BR/>If the answer to any of the above is yes it was certainly not by me.<BR/>I have endured years of this and you don't see me crying.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-42350840420690150282007-08-27T01:48:00.000-05:002007-08-27T01:48:00.000-05:00I asked you a direct question. You said you were a...I asked you a direct question. You said you were at more demonstrations than me. I asked you what were you doing at them?<BR/><BR/>Maybe someone else can answer.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-51116572991567428342007-08-26T23:37:00.000-05:002007-08-26T23:37:00.000-05:00Here we go again with the victimization cries. The...Here we go again with the victimization cries. The familiar cry of red baiting is worn and tired. <BR/><BR/>Communism is a criminal ideaology that has produced nothing but death, misery, refugees and excuses. Your continued denials of the repeated disasters every time Communist run anything is akin to Holocaust denial.<BR/><BR/>Moreover, communists have a lengthy history of treason, espionage and deception in US history. I wouldn't march in a parade organized by the KKK, Mambla, Neonazis or with other assorted political criminals.<BR/><BR/>If you are so unafraid of the stench of your own history then what is the need for groups like Code Pink, ANSWER, UPJ. Why not just openly march as Communists and see how many people would associate with you.<BR/><BR/>Moreover, feel free to talk about the greatness of Trotsky in Greenpoint or Brighton Beach in NYC where the locals are very familiar with his crimes. Please pay up any life insurance premiums beforehand. I love watching Cuban Americans, Poles and Russians reactions to your continued advocacy of a pathology they are familiar with.<BR/><BR/>Sorry Ren but I am still an American citizen and have no desire to have my freedoms curtailed. Maybe you can migrate to Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea where your kind restricts freedom of speech. My comments on any subject on a blog you do not own are not your concern.<BR/><BR/>Oddly you now recognize a blog as private property. It seems your rhetoric never quite matches your ideals. Ask the Duck, G or even yourself if I have ever censored a comment. <BR/><BR/>You need to stop crying victim and man up.<BR/><BR/>Tell me how your rebranded Communism is any different from the disasters that have been attempted. <BR/><BR/>Do rational people have reason to loathe communism?beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-81865713578816938682007-08-26T20:58:00.000-05:002007-08-26T20:58:00.000-05:00You brought this up first. You said you were at m...You brought this up first. You said you were at more demonstrations than me. What were you doing there?<BR/><BR/>What I said is reasonable. Some subjects are best <BR/>discussed right/right and some are left/left. If Beamish posts what is the best strategy for conservatives, I would choose to say nothing. I think he would want his peers to comment. A lefty has no place in that discussion. That is not an insult to him.<BR/><BR/>Rudy is the lesser evil to Hillary. They are more alike than not.<BR/><BR/>Locally the antiwar activity is run by pacifists and religious people. It's highly decentralized.<BR/><BR/>Even my blog is coalition, Some writers are anarchist and third camp socialists. Of those who comment here only two are from my political group. and they don't often comment. I have more than a token dissenter.<BR/><BR/>Obviously your red baiting is not working. Republicans are running away from being labeled pro-Bush or pro-war. The Democrats are pretending as well to be critics.<BR/><BR/>ANSWER I'm told is run by Workers World. If they organize a demonstration, that doesn't mean you have to agree with their position on Hungary 1956.<BR/><BR/>You totally misunderstand my main point. It's nothing to do with rights to comment. It has to do with respect to the blog owner. If Craig comments about asking people what is the best strategy for Fred Thompson to take as a question. I would stay out of such a discussion as a courtesy to Craig and to myself. I don't give advice to opponents.<BR/><BR/>A red baiter has no say about the direction of the antiwar. Red baiting is a tool to cause division.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-33698859859518045372007-08-26T19:03:00.000-05:002007-08-26T19:03:00.000-05:00RenG understood and agreed with the very points th...Ren<BR/><BR/>G understood and agreed with the very points that elude you. <BR/><BR/>As an American citizen you may offer your opinion about anything.<BR/>Moreover, given where you are politically your criticism would only boosts Rudy's campaign. How about a promise to emigrate if Rudy wins?<BR/><BR/>G understood the points that were not very complicated. Moreover, the fact that you are still crying over them months later proves how shallow you are.<BR/><BR/>Hmmm lets see who are the leaders of Code Pink, ANSWER and UPJ. Communists still create front groups to avoid their stench today.<BR/>I have likely attened more anti-war freak fests than you. Few of the marchers know that the protests are organized by Communists. Most are horrified and alarmed when they find out.<BR/><BR/>Sorry if genuine facts and logic elude you.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-48171170792209982062007-08-26T18:41:00.000-05:002007-08-26T18:41:00.000-05:00Beak: I have no idea what you're talking about.My...Beak: I have no idea what you're talking about.<BR/><BR/>My point to Beamish, is that certain discussions are best left/left and right/right. If you posted about what is the best strategy for Giuliani as a question, wven if I have the right to comment, my opinion would be a distraction. In the same way nobody cares, or wants to know, what is best for the antiwar movement.<BR/><BR/>Front group? Out of the 1950s playbook. People of any political stripe are not moved to action on the basis of a 30 point program. Coalition on a single focused demand is what works, to get movement. That is called strong principles and flexible tactics. I agree with Graeme about Iraq. Do I have to be an anarchist to work with him?<BR/><BR/>Beatroot: Some of the article was good, some is off.<BR/><BR/>Farmer: If the reactionary elements in Chavez's government stay in power in the PSUV, then you'd be right.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-44566989051905441772007-08-26T18:22:00.000-05:002007-08-26T18:22:00.000-05:00Lets see Ren has now advocated fascist speech cont...Lets see Ren has now advocated fascist speech control on blogs that he doesn't own.<BR/><BR/>When has my right to freedom of speech been abrogated? Moreover, the blog owner G understood the basic critique of a comment that still eludes your grasp.<BR/><BR/>You need to stop crying victim and start dealing with reality. The reality is that Commies like yourself need to form front groups to avoid the stench of your history. <BR/><BR/>G understood the critique and agreed with some of its points. However, G does not reflexively cry victim every two seconds.<BR/><BR/>An extension of your inane illogic<BR/>would advance the following reasoning. As an advocate of a movement whose goal is the overthrow of the existing economic system (Trotskyism) you should be disenfranchised.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-27150532633766843682007-08-26T14:15:00.000-05:002007-08-26T14:15:00.000-05:00Look, there is nothing wrong with doing away with ...Look, there is nothing wrong with doing away with term limits. If someone keeps on winning elections then that means they are POPULAR WITH VOTERS. <BR/><BR/>Me, I am from the UK. We vote for parties who put forward prime ministers. In theory Maggie Thatcher or Tony Blair could have gone on and on and on getting elected if voters wanted them. <BR/><BR/>The only problem with the UK is that we have NO TERM LIMITS FOR KINGS AND QUEENS. <BR/><BR/>As Chavez is not proposing he becomes Prime Charles or Queen Lizzie then I don’t see the problem.<BR/><BR/>But the title of this post is nonsense.: “Chavez prepares for socialism..’. Don’t make me laugh. The group that has done best from Chavez has been the nation’s bankers. <BR/><BR/>http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9621513beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-29569773542578459782007-08-26T06:31:00.000-05:002007-08-26T06:31:00.000-05:00Besides. The new Constitution turns control of th...Besides. The new Constitution turns control of the central national bank to Hugo. If want capital, you'd better go see Hugo with your hat in your hand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-35330828456064783682007-08-26T06:27:00.000-05:002007-08-26T06:27:00.000-05:00But what about PDVSA? CANTV? EdC?The state can't...But what about PDVSA? CANTV? EdC?<BR/><BR/>The state can't possibly run EVERY mom & pop store in Venezuela. But PDVSA is 85% of all exports. And CANTV and EdC is the entire state infrastructure (Phones & Electricity). If Venezuela is not a model for state capitalism, then there is no such beast.<BR/><BR/>And the new constitution allows Chavez to seize the assets of any business for the state at a moment's notice. Sanitarios Maracay was not "strategic". There wasn't enough $$$ in it for it to be worth his trouble... scaring off any hope of foreign investment he still has left. Plus, every Venezuelan businessman would immediately send every penney they earned into an offshore bank account. Result... no domestic investment of capital, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-48767993751057577582007-08-26T04:02:00.000-05:002007-08-26T04:02:00.000-05:00Beamish: Of the people who comment, even including...Beamish: Of the people who comment, even including other writers on this blog, who come from the same political tendency as of myself, there are only three people. Most of them don't often comment. <BR/><BR/>I don't visit rightist blogs to be devil's advocate. I visit blogs who support mine by commenting or linking to me. That is reflected in my links. I have links to every political tendency in blogdom.<BR/><BR/>My blog gets linked to, often by blogs I never visited a few times a week. I link back in return.<BR/><BR/>It's an important question why visit blogs you don't agree with. I don't know many blogs that are like Sonia and mine. I think someone should post on that subject.<BR/><BR/>I'm always in the minority on my blog, not being a pacifist, anarchist, liberal or conservative.<BR/><BR/>For me having opposition helps fine tune my positions.<BR/><BR/>Some subjects I think opposition have no business commenting on. If on your blog you posted a discussion about what is the best strategy for the GOP, I would stay out of it. Beak intervened on a discussion about strategy for the antiwar movement on Graeme's blog. His opinion doesn't matter. Mine doesn't on GOP strategy. Some discussions are not for everyone. It is a courtesy not to comment.<BR/><BR/>Farmer; It looks like you figured out to some extent Chavez's government is not a monolith by any means. I think he is popular because the push and pull is allowed to happen.<BR/><BR/>You shouldn't use words as state capitalist without precision. Maracay is back in the owners hands. When they die, it goes to their next generation. That is just capitalism.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-81853601330133287832007-08-26T03:20:00.000-05:002007-08-26T03:20:00.000-05:00reigns = reins... onamotatypepwrongkeyszo...reigns = reins... onamotatypepwrongkeyszo...(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-68076754617004206132007-08-26T03:19:00.000-05:002007-08-26T03:19:00.000-05:00Frolix22,But surely someone can just turn your com...Frolix22,<BR/><BR/><I>But surely someone can just turn your comment around and say: "Whatever the case, contemporary rightists are standing on the shoulders of 200 million corpses and trying to raise a stink." Or perhaps I am just missing something here.</I><BR/><BR/>You're missing a list of rightists who, once they aquired the reigns of government in their nations, racked up a grand total of 200 million kills of their own citizens.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-3127412124716449122007-08-25T19:55:00.000-05:002007-08-25T19:55:00.000-05:00Ren, I've used the e-mail address in your profile ...Ren, I've used the e-mail address in your profile like you said. I'll resend the invitation again. You might check your spam box if you still are not getting anything. Sorry for the trouble.MC Fanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04966360672502646830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-11212729479156070142007-08-25T13:34:00.000-05:002007-08-25T13:34:00.000-05:00The Maracay incident wasn't ended by the judiciary...<I>The Maracay incident wasn't ended by the judiciary. It was actually the Ministry of Labor sided with management.</I><BR/><BR/>I seem to recall a story about corrupt judges and arbitration, but I could be misremembering it.<BR/><BR/><I>To answer both about the judiciary and Maracay, is that Venezuela is still a bourgeoise state. The institutions are capitalist, with left overs of the oligarchy in all institutions.</I><BR/><BR/>And appear likely to remain that way. Chavez's decision not to expropriate looks like a backing away from socialism and more towards some form of state-capitalism.<BR/><BR/><I>To the Maracay workers, they feel they were only temporarily setback. That's where the real revolution located.</I><BR/><BR/>Given the current struggle between a party dominated labor union (PSUV) and and independent labor union, independence seems to be taking a back seat. I think this means like the workers at Sanitarios Maracay and other "small business units" will be likely sucking hind tit for quite a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-9723112523410082472007-08-25T12:40:00.000-05:002007-08-25T12:40:00.000-05:00Yes, you are. 200 million corpses acquired while ...Yes, you are. 200 million corpses acquired while at relative peace with our neighbors. Most of your corpses were acquired during a period of NO external conflict. They were causalties of your own 'peace' policies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-11364133146669722692007-08-25T11:17:00.000-05:002007-08-25T11:17:00.000-05:00"Whatever the case, contemporary leftists are stan...<I>"Whatever the case, contemporary leftists are standing on the shoulders of 200 million corpses and trying to raise a stink."</I><BR/><BR/>That many millions of people have died in conflict arising out of political disputes is obvious. But surely someone can just turn your comment around and say: "Whatever the case, contemporary rightists are standing on the shoulders of 200 million corpses and trying to raise a stink." Or perhaps I am just missing something here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-89011726127302925742007-08-25T06:18:00.000-05:002007-08-25T06:18:00.000-05:00A very deep article and constructed good, congratu...A very deep article and constructed good, congratulations.<BR/><BR/>We have happened to greet you after a few days of vacationsJobove - Reushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15325521409416734011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-41348453862714410442007-08-25T04:18:00.000-05:002007-08-25T04:18:00.000-05:00does the constitution of any country stops the atr...does the constitution of any country stops the atrocities on the underpriviledged?<BR/><BR/>In India our constitution provides so many special right to the aboriginals but still they are killed and displaced in the name of development daily...Bastarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14876428735532853546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-41558221337023632122007-08-25T03:43:00.000-05:002007-08-25T03:43:00.000-05:00Renegade Eye, I'm serious. While I still extent th...Renegade Eye, <BR/><BR/>I'm serious. While I still extent the courtesy of patiently listening to a leftist's point of view, I can't honestly say a leftist has ever argued me away from my well-aged premise that leftists may not actually be capable of rational thought. Certainly none thus enabled have ever popped up in the chronicles of human history. Maybe they sank with the crew of <I>K-129</I> down Winston Smith's memory hole. Whatever the case, contemporary leftists are standing on the shoulders of 200 million corpses and trying to raise a stink. To me, that's ironic. <BR/><BR/>Maybe you're hiding all the intelligent leftists here. We'll see. <BR/><BR/>A wise man once told me that if your views are challenged and they survive the process, they're worth having. <BR/><BR/>I'm here for the challenge.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-46229722812430952742007-08-25T02:07:00.000-05:002007-08-25T02:07:00.000-05:00Renegade said: "I wouldn't object to your guy Bush...Renegade said: "I wouldn't object to your guy Bush running again."<BR/>A-fricking-men to that.<BR/>No no no... I'd L-O-V-E to see Cheney as the GOP's choice in '08..... IF..... elections were held where every citizen had the same equal access to cast a vote and every citizen's vote was actually counted.<BR/>Aaaah... a liberal girl can dream, eh?Tinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08472987991553964064noreply@blogger.com