tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post3454124555888811830..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Chavez Urges FARC to Lay Down ArmsFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-70682588784591279712008-06-18T21:43:00.000-05:002008-06-18T21:43:00.000-05:00Of course the FARC are a petty bourgeois guerrilla...Of course the FARC are a petty bourgeois guerrilla tendency. But they should be unconditionally defended from Uribe and the US pushing for a new war to bring down the Bolivarian revolution.<BR/>That's why Chavez call for the FARC to disarm reveals the weakness of his BOnapartist regime trying to balance between imperialism and the masses.<BR/>His policy is that of Castro and Sarkosy - 'legalise' the FARC and undercut the US ramping up war cries in Colombia and Bolivia.<BR/>But the only way to stop the US is to military defend the FARC and every armed resistance to the deals that Chavez and Morales will attempt to make with so-called democratic imperialism. <BR/>Dave Brown<BR/>http://livingmarxism.wordpress.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-88071468492678901202008-06-15T20:09:00.000-05:002008-06-15T20:09:00.000-05:00Just like people acted about Fidel Castro stepping...Just like people acted about Fidel Castro stepping down, wondering if there was plans for transition. As if they thought about anything else. <BR/><BR/>Chavez offered recently tax breaks. That type of policy might be a mistake.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-63210066254456619752008-06-15T14:10:00.000-05:002008-06-15T14:10:00.000-05:00Even with Chavez's mistakes, his record across the...<I>Even with Chavez's mistakes, his record across the board, beats his predecessors.</I> Yeah, oil's $130 a barrel. That 'coup' will come when it drops back down to $40... just like Chavez's original FAILED coup did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-84612818138313977322008-06-15T01:07:00.000-05:002008-06-15T01:07:00.000-05:00Michael: Thank you for visiting this blog.The left...Michael: Thank you for visiting this blog.<BR/><BR/>The left is in no position to help FARC, because of its own tactics and actually strategy, doesn't leave open mass support. Even if FARC goes back 60 years, still it should know, an agrarian movement can't on its own overthrow a government like Colombia's.<BR/><BR/>FJ: Allende tried making nice to reactionary army elements.<BR/><BR/>We both know before Chavez leaves office, there will be a coup attempt again.<BR/><BR/>Even with Chavez's mistakes, his record across the board, beats his predecessors. <BR/><BR/>You're not going to see Chavez, living in the jungle, anytime soon.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-39132977755604143332008-06-14T18:14:00.000-05:002008-06-14T18:14:00.000-05:00I think that Chavez has to reorganize the army, to...<I>I think that Chavez has to reorganize the army, to purge disloyal and corrupt element.</I><BR/><BR/>I feel the same about the US Congress.... needs purging... but not very Democratic, that thought, especially considering all that binging they've been doing recently. <BR/><BR/>But nobody ever accused the Left of REALLY being "democratic" did they? It's their way, or an early grave.<BR/><BR/>ps - michael... wake up. The only person destroying the Venezuelan economy at the moment is HUGO. And he's managing to do it in the face of $130/ barrel oil. Incredible, isn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-23753586148085859142008-06-14T11:41:00.000-05:002008-06-14T11:41:00.000-05:00I suspect that whatever becomes of FARC, the imper...I suspect that whatever becomes of FARC, the imperium will need little justification to continue with its destruction of the indigenous economies of all of Latin America. Chavez and his Bolivarians may not be the revolutionary democrats so many of us have hoped for, but Chavez is for the autonomy of the Southern Americas, and that is one thing the imperium will never tolerate, never has, never will. As is the case with Castro, Chavez remains in a process that I. Deutscher would have called one of the ironies of history, a nationalist leader and process which has gone further then the old school ever wanted him to. He and his Bolivarians are now getting caught on the contradictions of the attempt to build a democratic, or socialist economy in the face of the world's deadliest empire and all of its global suck-ups. <BR/><BR/>FARC isn't much more than an ideological fart at this point, but to allow the empire to harass FARC with its military prowess and its South American catspaws would be a stupid thing for the world "left" to allow to happen. Unfortunately, the world left we have is exactly that, what's left in the postmodern hodge podge of ideas that have risen to the fore sense the collapse of marxism as a global political current. <BR/><BR/>These are terrible times we live in.Michael Hureauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18371793321347916325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-3212906446895652532008-06-14T00:09:00.000-05:002008-06-14T00:09:00.000-05:00When you have state power, in a relatively strong ...When you have state power, in a relatively strong country, you don't give guerilla warfare the sleightest thought.<BR/><BR/>What use are a rag tag Maoist group, on the verge of destruction due to it's own strategy, to someone like Chavez?<BR/><BR/>I think that Chavez has to reorganize the army, to purge disloyal and corrupt elements. I predict the opposition will try another coup. See: Allende.<BR/><BR/>It's impossible for FARC to have an impact on Colombia.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-6876071213558010642008-06-13T06:52:00.000-05:002008-06-13T06:52:00.000-05:00Watch the vids, Ren. The ex-general is speculatin...Watch the <A HREF="http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/?p=15104#more-15104" REL="nofollow">vids</A>, Ren. The ex-general is speculating that it's Chavez's intent to deliberately ruin his "professional" army and replace it w/Cuban-like militia training...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-56654327539162346972008-06-13T06:42:00.000-05:002008-06-13T06:42:00.000-05:00Hate to break it to you foxessa, but I speak the l...Hate to break it to you foxessa, but I speak the language and lived in country for four years. I don't dance the dances though. I've got two left feet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-64522428542043998342008-06-13T06:35:00.000-05:002008-06-13T06:35:00.000-05:00Chavez himself said guerilla warfare is obsolete.I...<I>Chavez himself said guerilla warfare is obsolete.</I><BR/><BR/>I guess that explains his silly asymmetric warfare rehearsals last week with the ocean re-supply exercise and the use of horses to transport supplies and equipment up to guerilla bases in the mountains...<BR/><BR/>I watched them on YouTube earlier in the week. Great joke... Guerilla Warfare is obsolete. Ha Ha...<BR/><BR/>I think it's time you stopped listening to what Chavez says and instead start watching what Chavez does. You'll stay more informed that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-46794964409252487572008-06-13T00:36:00.000-05:002008-06-13T00:36:00.000-05:00Of course, he supports the FARC. Everyone knows th...Of course, he supports the FARC. Everyone knows that. Do you speak Spanish? Chavez has said as much himself.Rita Locahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961929692808138092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-12212028867812718772008-06-13T00:24:00.000-05:002008-06-13T00:24:00.000-05:00Foxessa: I produced shows for a Venezuelan dance t...Foxessa: I produced shows for a Venezuelan dance troop <A HREF="http://sentirvenezolano.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Sentir Venezolano</A>.<BR/><BR/>Jungle Mom: Atleast you didn't say that Chavez needs or supports the FARC.<BR/><BR/>Graeme: In addition to Aaron and Nadia, a blogger from Minneapolis I didn't meet before <A HREF="http://thewildreed.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Michael</A> was there. JP and Marcial also were in attendance. It is always fun when the crew from Fargo visit.<BR/><BR/>JP will be in Fargo next week.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-56663039934208549422008-06-12T23:21:00.000-05:002008-06-12T23:21:00.000-05:00I have been trying to limit my internet time, so I...I have been trying to limit my internet time, so I won't jump into this debate, but how was the dinner with my bro and sis-in-law Ren?Graemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04230080850680753260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-5262584479085097622008-06-12T21:58:00.000-05:002008-06-12T21:58:00.000-05:00"Chavez is a military man and is well read."I am f..."Chavez is a military man and is well read."<BR/>I am forwarding this bit of info to all my Venezuelan friends. Venezuelans all know how ignorant he is! He is a joke and an embarrassment to the Venezuelan people!!!Rita Locahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961929692808138092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-23162928241014569122008-06-12T20:44:00.000-05:002008-06-12T20:44:00.000-05:00It's always dislocating, to read people's so decid...It's always dislocating, to read people's so decided opinions about countries they've never visited and who don't speak the language(s) either. Or able to dance the dances.<BR/><BR/>Primary rule: never believe anything anybody says about anywhere who doesn't speak the language and doesn't know how to dance the dances.<BR/><BR/>There are exceptions though, now and again. Fidel doesn't dance ... maybe the only Cuban in history who doesn't and doesn't care about music.<BR/><BR/>Love, C.Foxessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06754083123669916994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-52259523392164007242008-06-12T20:01:00.000-05:002008-06-12T20:01:00.000-05:00FJ: We've explained FARC lacks a revolutionary pro...FJ: We've explained FARC lacks a revolutionary program. It has a weak political base. In addition it's not tied to the urban proletariat, the only force that can transform society. Everything we said, is available to Hugo Chavez. Hugo enjoys reading on the right Heinz Dieterich on the left Alan Woods. Both his favorite theoreticians tell him FARC is a losing path. Chavez himself said guerilla warfare is obsolete.<BR/><BR/>FARC's rotten tactics come from lack of program and theory. They even misread the Chinese Revolution. China atleast had Soviet arms.<BR/><BR/>You are the only one that says FARC is a force that has influence anywhere.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-76285912163821029482008-06-12T16:44:00.000-05:002008-06-12T16:44:00.000-05:00How many "hostages for money" is FARC currently ho...How many "hostages for money" is FARC currently holding? 700?<BR/><BR/>You mean, all people have to do is pay FARC ransom money and the hundreds of innocent victims will be let go? Yep!<BR/><BR/>How <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_hostages_held_by_FARC" REL="nofollow">political</A>... kinda in the same sense that Al Capone was political.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-65834710094284898652008-06-12T16:32:00.000-05:002008-06-12T16:32:00.000-05:00Bat sh*t crazy AND dead on RIGHT! So there IS not...Bat sh*t crazy AND dead on RIGHT! So there IS nothing to argue about.<BR/><BR/><I>FARC...having grown out of a small group of protection racketeers, murderers, kidnappers and extortionists who terrorized the local population and growers to the point of their having to protect themselves with private armies from the greedy bandits who started the longest and bloodiest Civil War in South American history.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-4161971482283056742008-06-12T14:47:00.000-05:002008-06-12T14:47:00.000-05:00"FARC's program doesn't go beyond agrarian reform...."FARC's program doesn't go beyond agrarian reform. That is not a program that can transform a modern society... FARC can only play an auxillary role to real revolutionaries..."<BR/><BR/>Well said Ren. they are a peasant guerrilla group, having grown out of a small group of farmers who sought to protect themselves from the private armies of the Columbian Civil War. As such, their politics are peasant populism, which is important in a country where there are peasants, but plainly not enough in today's world where there is also a large working class.In order to overthrow the oligarchy they will have to unite with other revolutionaries and other sectors of the population. This will mean that they will, in many areas, have to play a subordinate role to working class, urban revolutionaries.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-42313260650829878362008-06-12T13:40:00.000-05:002008-06-12T13:40:00.000-05:00"And you are aware that a FARC camp in Ecuador WAS..."And you are aware that a FARC camp in Ecuador WAS ACTUALLY attacked and a number of notorious FARC leaders killed (confirmed by Ecuador)."<BR/><BR/>Yes and ...<BR/><BR/>"And you do realize that the Columbian military would NOT have attacked across the border without the fore-knowledge of American military advisors who would insist upon a follow up ground operation specifically to search for and gather and intelligence information... which ACTUALLY did ocur, correct?"<BR/><BR/>So they were taking orders from the US? What difference does the make?<BR/><BR/>"No "interpol" could not confirm that the computers they examined came from the FARC Camp. But US military intelligence can and did."<BR/><BR/>You are so full of shit. No they didn’t. Which is why you haven’t sourced it. I even tried to find the source for you. If this did happen no one is reporting it. Even if the computers are atthentic again there is no evidence to link Chavez to supporting the FARC, nor have you provided any. People like you are their own worst enemy. Larry is right, I’m not going to argue with some one who is bat shit crazy.Crookedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00458647502765733252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-86338706173727107852008-06-12T07:56:00.000-05:002008-06-12T07:56:00.000-05:00Still quackin' like a duck...Still quackin' like a <A HREF="http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/?p=15100" REL="nofollow">duck</A>...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-20223749407268913442008-06-12T07:46:00.000-05:002008-06-12T07:46:00.000-05:00It has now been confirmed from Lot #'s that the am...It has now been <A HREF="http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/?p=15137" REL="nofollow">confirmed</A> from Lot #'s that the ammunition being supplied to FARC by the captured Venezuelans was sold by the Russians to Venezuelans.<BR/><BR/>2+2 still equals 4.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-4794045210622157512008-06-12T07:39:00.000-05:002008-06-12T07:39:00.000-05:00I think we all know what a couple of Russian equiv...I think we all know what a couple of Russian equivalent "<A HREF="http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/?p=15136" REL="nofollow">Stinger's</A>" could do to change the military dynamic in Columbia for FARC. Especially if their backs were pressed up against the wall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-31998267179641348692008-06-12T07:06:00.000-05:002008-06-12T07:06:00.000-05:00Something more than patently absurd statements lik...Something more than patently absurd statements like "Chavez has absolutely nothing to gain by supporting FARC" or "He never supported the FARC" or "FARC was always useless to Chavez.<BR/>FARC's program doesn't go beyond agrarian reform."<BR/><BR/>Hugo was a military man. So was I. Perhaps we BOTH know a bit more on the subject of war then a couple of armchair urban guerillas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-4005074983551381352008-06-12T07:01:00.000-05:002008-06-12T07:01:00.000-05:00...and since you "boys" don't think the Right is b......and since you "boys" don't think the Right is being "rational" about this, I suggest you begin to examine the basis and foundation of your own belief that Hugo Chavez is NOT involved in undermining the political stability of the region and providing military and financial support to regional rebel forces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com