tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post136092215872191678..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Michael Moore Presents Capitalism: A Love Story ***1/2Frank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-26841385743300300982010-04-10T07:31:36.176-05:002010-04-10T07:31:36.176-05:00I have visited this site and got lots of informati...I have visited this site and got lots of information about part-time job than other sites that i visited<br /><a href="http://www.onlineuniversalwork.com" rel="nofollow"><br />part-time job</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05880209154776870073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1927323684255253232010-03-12T00:11:45.978-06:002010-03-12T00:11:45.978-06:00I really lost my job but i never forget about it.....I really lost my job but i never forget about it...limousine hirehttp://www.abfablimos.co.uk/index.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-76318722494326670652009-12-03T09:23:22.888-06:002009-12-03T09:23:22.888-06:00"...why is it that in the richest country on ..."...why is it that in the richest country on earth we cannot provide jobs, health care, housing, and education for all?"<br /><br />Well, sorry to get all Ayn Rand on you here but the answer is quite clear: becuase not everyone deserves the above mentioned goods and services because they have not earned them. <br /><br />It really is that simple, a harder question for you is: If you brought in such a system how would you fund it without ultimatley taking money off some people for products/services they didn't use or ask for? (i.e. thieving)James Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-8557318960040445722009-10-06T00:03:30.977-05:002009-10-06T00:03:30.977-05:00MFL: This movie is opening to wide release. SICKO...MFL: This movie is opening to wide release. <i>SICKO</i> opened in 400 theaters, this one in >1,000.<br /><br />Larry G: I'm only trying to say to Moore socialism is incidental. He is influenced by the church and Roosevelt. I'm not shrugging off anybody. Socialism is not vital to Moore.<br /><br />Moore is nostalgic for the 50s. He admits the US was on top, because everyone else was in rubble from WWII.<br /><br />Pagan: Moore is anticapitalist, more than pro socialist. In the US, the top 1% own 95% of the resources.<br /><br />Ducky: No war but the class war.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-56662769668836341432009-10-05T21:32:07.553-05:002009-10-05T21:32:07.553-05:00It's a euphemism Ducky. You have no sense of i...It's a euphemism Ducky. You have no sense of irony, no understanding of symbolism, and evidently you adhere to a literalist interpretation of almost everything. Do people tend to avoid you at art exhibits?SecondComingOfBasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336586430250490679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-79680130789408204152009-10-05T16:09:27.686-05:002009-10-05T16:09:27.686-05:00Republican accusing a Democrat of invoking class w...Republican accusing a Democrat of invoking class warfare, as though they never do that.<br /><br />--------------------------<br /><br /> Class warfare? Class warfare occurs when you are pulled out of your car and sapped senseless.<br /> You have never seen class warfare.<br /><br /> Class warfare? The bodies of drug company execs are dangling from telephone poles.<br /> <br /> We haven't had it here in some time and it has been the poor who have born the brunt despite what Rush "Talent on Loan from Synthetic Morphine" Limbaugh may have to say about it.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-3662503783237190402009-10-05T11:31:08.759-05:002009-10-05T11:31:08.759-05:00There are a lot of people who have vaguely sociali...There are a lot of people who have vaguely socialist ideas, such as those who broadly favor worker ownership/control or cooperatives. This is the start of a socialist viewpoint, but not its entirety. But such people are not to be dismissed as they form a conduit for socialist, ideas among the general populace and an antidote to the reactionary propaganda that socialism=statism. And broadly speaking, socialism IS economic democracy, so Moore is not too far afield in his use of the word instead of speaking of socialism per se. <br /><br />Dictatorship of the proletariat is not a term I would use - due to the history attached to it and the evident misunderstandings as to its actual meaning. But the essential core of the concept - that the people who do the work in society should run that society - I agree with, and always have.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-85082125332599642302009-10-05T00:09:25.574-05:002009-10-05T00:09:25.574-05:00I thought Moore retired after Bush was no longer a...I thought Moore retired after Bush was no longer a president :D (joking), to be honest my favorite Moore documentary is Bowling fo Columbine, although his movie "Canadian Bacon" is a classic.MarxistFromLebanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02742943269564177293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-41186304146768911232009-10-05T00:05:06.677-05:002009-10-05T00:05:06.677-05:00Mr Temple: It's the difference between Marx/Le...Mr Temple: It's the difference between Marx/Lenin and Trotsky against Christ/Roosevelt/European Social Democracy.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-88668948917437519302009-10-04T23:44:49.717-05:002009-10-04T23:44:49.717-05:00"its not like me talking about dictatorship o..."its not like me talking about dictatorship of the proletariat."<br /><br />I wonder if you realize how scary and even sickening that sounds? Obviously you don't or you wouldn't use such a phrase. It sounds like a bunch of trolls rising up out of the pits of hell.<br /><br />You might not think Moore is a socialist. I think Moore might have a different idea. It's sort of like a Democrat accusing a Republican of not being democratic enough, as if they are, or like a Republican accusing a Democrat of invoking class warfare, as though they never do that. Meaningless distinctions without real differences.SecondComingOfBasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336586430250490679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-52215052619819871862009-10-04T23:34:35.567-05:002009-10-04T23:34:35.567-05:00Good stuff and its really better than 9/11.Good stuff and its really better than 9/11.cheaphttp://www.whatlimouk.com/index.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-90584980685571483932009-10-04T21:42:50.610-05:002009-10-04T21:42:50.610-05:00Pagan: Moore is a socialist in a vague sense.
In ...Pagan: Moore is a socialist in a vague sense.<br /><br />In the movie, he shows workplaces that are cooperative, and everyone makes the same wage. The idea of everyone making the same wage, is not Marxist. Marx hated that idea. The examples Moore shows, don't take a revolution to win. They are utopian experiments. His examples are subject to capitlist market rules.<br /><br />When Moore talks about workers control, its not like me talking about dictatorship of the proletariat. He is for reforming capitalisms excesses.<br /><br />This movie is smarter than his 9/11 movie.<br /><br />Ducky: Moore's conclusions are like yours. He said he is giving Obama 4 more months or else.<br /><br />Tony: I like the idea, of Moore doing a musical.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-41548266190957548822009-10-04T19:32:30.919-05:002009-10-04T19:32:30.919-05:00Tony-
My point was in response to Ren saying Moor...Tony-<br /><br />My point was in response to Ren saying Moore was not a socialist, when he plainly is. I know Moore believes that workers should control the means of production because I happen to be on his e-mail list. He made that statement in one of the first e-mails I ever received from him, quite a few years ago, not too long after he released Farenheit 911.<br /><br />Which, I guess it is possible to believe workers should control the means of production without completely being a socialist, but I would imagine that would be a rare position for a non-socialist.<br /><br />I do admit that it is not a position I adhere toSecondComingOfBasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336586430250490679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-51697400382727829302009-10-04T15:20:23.906-05:002009-10-04T15:20:23.906-05:00Mr Temple.You make workers should control the mea...Mr Temple.You make <i> workers should control the means of production</i> Sound like 'A Bad Thing'.<br />But ,I have To say, I sometimes think Mr Moore has found his niche-market & is milking it for all it's worth.I would ,personally,love to see him do a Musical sometime,instead....tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746435400444226665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-27722029560022474172009-10-04T13:51:04.522-05:002009-10-04T13:51:04.522-05:00A good effort. First thing to admit is there is a ...A good effort. First thing to admit is there is a strict entertainment element in anything Moore produces and this film is entertaining.<br /> Myself, I enjoy his little guerrilla theater stunts but I understand that it isn't everyone's cup of tea.<br /><br /> My main concern is that Moore sees us as powerless. This colossal theft happened and folks still aren't much closer to action.<br /><br /> They should have seen enough to understand the need to at least establish Social Democracy here with an accent of the democracy.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-6803728236947898152009-10-04T09:39:31.944-05:002009-10-04T09:39:31.944-05:00"Moore is not really a socialist."
So h..."Moore is not really a socialist."<br /><br />So he's a non-socialist who believes that workers should control the means of production? Interesting.SecondComingOfBasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336586430250490679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-83899927562341522812009-10-04T00:30:09.897-05:002009-10-04T00:30:09.897-05:00Gert: This movie is more focused than Fahrenheit.
...Gert: This movie is more focused than Fahrenheit.<br /><br />Moore is not really a socialist. He is motivated by religious morality and memories of Detroit, when it was a union town. That becomes clear in the movie.<br /><br />He attacked Obama, but softly. In person he said he's giving him 4 more months.<br /><br />Nobody would have believed backward illiterate Russia, would in a few decades send the first satellite to outer space.<br /><br />Pagan: As Britney would say, "Whatever."Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-8504318729679138992009-10-03T12:45:25.461-05:002009-10-03T12:45:25.461-05:00Democratic Socialism in the US of A? Someone's...Democratic Socialism in the US of A? Someone's having a <i>larf</i>, right?<br /><br />Look at the reaction Obama gets (and he's far, far from being a Socialist - in any meaningful sense of the word): 'Obamunism', 'Communism', 'Socialism' etc etc.<br /><br />What would be near-impossible in more Leftish Europe would be out of the question in the US. If a sufficient number of people really did rally behind it [in the US], I think Civil War would be serious possibility (the 'DSR of A' and the 'Former USA'?)<br /><br /><i>"[...] but democratic socialism, in which the workers democratically control the means of production, distribution and exchange, in harmony with the environment."</i><br /><br />I think you'd need to genetically re-wire Homo Sapiens Sapiens for that: to shift the selfishness/altruism balance decidedly to the right hand side of the balance.<br /><br />But as long as most people can be convinced that buying loads of upgradable shiny gadgets somehow represents 'freedom' or 'choice', we're stuck with messy Capitalism, hopefully dampened down to avoid some of its worst excesses and iniquities...<br /><br />But I look forward to MM's latest shock doc: he may be insufferable at times but he makes some decent points...Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-8850996355546519232009-10-02T21:44:15.480-05:002009-10-02T21:44:15.480-05:00Capitalism doesn't rob people. People rob peop...Capitalism doesn't rob people. People rob people.SecondComingOfBasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336586430250490679noreply@blogger.com