tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post115570698731606929..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Lebanon as a test run for IranFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger87125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156541821716961712006-08-25T16:37:00.000-05:002006-08-25T16:37:00.000-05:00You may have a very valid point Trousky and I beli...You may have a very valid point Trousky and I believe we can find just as many whites who are just as disenfranchised, oppressed, marginalized and POWER- less...?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156541783127657252006-08-25T16:36:00.000-05:002006-08-25T16:36:00.000-05:00I found it amusing. Not at all foolish and I belie...I found it amusing. Not at all foolish and I believe Redwine and Sonia found it just as amusing.?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156525740837588812006-08-25T12:09:00.000-05:002006-08-25T12:09:00.000-05:00I was trying to be funny (No clothes comment) and ...I was trying to be funny (No clothes comment) and as usual ended up being foolish.Sorry y'all.<BR/><BR/>Our rights and justice discussion may have gotten a bit abstract but I am thinking of the black experience here (US) where forty years after civil rights are "granted" blacks remain disenfranchised, oppressed, marginalized and POWER- less.How this relates to Lebanon is ,again, a bit abstract but these types of crises always go back to these same structural contradictions.troutskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16020298501632120830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156499851102858352006-08-25T04:57:00.001-05:002006-08-25T04:57:00.001-05:00Hang on, perhaps not...Fish fed resveratrol, a com...Hang on, perhaps not...Fish fed resveratrol, a component of red wine is already known to prolong life. Redwine is certainly the most special.?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156499836040502842006-08-25T04:57:00.000-05:002006-08-25T04:57:00.000-05:00you are biased redwine, nevertheless i can speak f...you are biased redwine, nevertheless i can speak for myself, the aroma must be very fine fruit and expressed with time. and it must be perfect to accompany fish and lighter dishes of vegetables. that's why i do prefer whitewine its so special...?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156448981095010132006-08-24T14:49:00.000-05:002006-08-24T14:49:00.000-05:00Woo: either Troutsky won;t confess or the ladies. ...Woo: either Troutsky won;t confess or the ladies. I am so glad I am perfect....Agneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14427327588753930703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156445373229966862006-08-24T13:49:00.000-05:002006-08-24T13:49:00.000-05:00Redwine, lolsome could relatively be many or much ...Redwine, lol<BR/><BR/>some could relatively be many or much <BR/><BR/>but unspecified in number<BR/><BR/>it could mean all<BR/><BR/>the english language is so ambiguous<BR/><BR/>Think I need to ask Trousky how many women he knows who think their bodies are just fine the way they are? Sonia is special<BR/><BR/>lmao?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156435294037765542006-08-24T11:01:00.000-05:002006-08-24T11:01:00.000-05:00Troutsky,"I m not used to debating people with no ...Troutsky,<BR/><BR/>"I m not used to debating people with no clothes on." - Hmm. Close your eyes.... Why are clothes (or should be) necessary for a good debate? <BR/><BR/>"Could this be because some have sexualized women's bodies? \" - Woo Woo ...only some? Too funny....Agneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14427327588753930703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156353659762759162006-08-23T12:20:00.000-05:002006-08-23T12:20:00.000-05:00Troutsky,I m not used to debating people with no c...Troutsky,<BR/><BR/><I>I m not used to debating people with no clothes on.</I> <BR/><BR/>Well, get used to it. <BR/><BR/>Justice is a less important right than fundamental rights like freedom, democracy and human rights. It's because the fundamental rights are objective (you can actually prove if a country has real free election, free press, etc.). But you cannot actually prove if there 'justice' in a country. Innocent people can be sentenced to death by stupid juries even in countries where the justice system, on paper, is organized fairly. People can starve to death even in countries that devote 99% of their revenues to welfare. Justice (legal and social) is subjective. There are workers being treated unfairly, and innocent people being sentenced to jail, even in Switzerland or Sweden.<BR/><BR/>Worrying about 'justice' where there is no democracy, freedom or human rights, is like building a house starting with the roof...soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156352749703828372006-08-23T12:05:00.000-05:002006-08-23T12:05:00.000-05:00"Im not used to debating people with no clothes on...<I><B>"Im not used to debating people with no clothes on.</I></B> <BR/><BR/>That reminds me of <B>Oliver Stone (producer of the world trade centre)</B>. One minute he could be having the most enlightened conversation. The next minute his head is whipping around so he can comment on some woman's breasts.<BR/><BR/>Could this be because some have sexualized women's bodies? I think Sonia is very intelligent and has a right to enjoy her freedoms and I also think you (Trousky) are very excellent at debating.?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156309805513501532006-08-23T00:10:00.000-05:002006-08-23T00:10:00.000-05:00Sonia, not to put to fine a point on it, but who "...Sonia, not to put to fine a point on it, but who "bestows" those human rights on people , that freedom? Don't the rights and freedom have to be removed before they can be "given"? Justice means equal power so that equal rights, liberty and yes, democracy, are inherent. None of your oft quoted "totalitarian leftists" shared power and whatever lip service they paid to justice is irrelevent. POWER. Im not used to debating people with no clothes on.troutskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16020298501632120830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156294387160046552006-08-22T19:53:00.000-05:002006-08-22T19:53:00.000-05:00It wasn't Hersh's comparison, of underground weapo...It wasn't Hersh's comparison, of underground weapon systems. It was Israel's, as part of winning US support. Hersh reported the fact that Israel used the underground system argument, he didn't create it.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156276153968879502006-08-22T14:49:00.000-05:002006-08-22T14:49:00.000-05:00The similarity is that both countries, have underg...<I> The similarity is that both countries, have underground weapon systems.</I><BR/><BR/>By any stretch of the imagination Hezbollah and the Iranian defense force do not have similar underground weapon systems. <BR/><BR/>The only similarity is that they both have tunnels. <BR/><BR/>Hezbollah has weapons that they fire in the general direction of cities, like Tibirius. But where those weapons land they have not a clue. That is why they fire so many, in the hope they hit something. Nine times out of ten they don’t Which is why the chucked 200 at Isreal and only got lucky once.<BR/><BR/>Iran has a relatively <I>sophisticated weapons system</I> So making a comparison between the two ‘weapons systems’ is like comparing a 1960s transitor radio with an ipod. <BR/><BR/>I don’t care who Hersh is, it is a stupid claim to make.<BR/><BR/>The disproportionate Israel response was more to do with internal Israeli politics than it was anything else.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156272657824001382006-08-22T13:50:00.000-05:002006-08-22T13:50:00.000-05:00Beetroot: You didn't read the article. Sy Hersh t...Beetroot: You didn't read the article. Sy Hersh the foremost investigative journalist, this decade and for decades before, didn't say bombing guerillas in Lebanon is equal to fighting the Iranian army.<BR/><BR/>The similarity is that both countries, have underground weapon systems. That is all the similarity.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156270286100891542006-08-22T13:11:00.000-05:002006-08-22T13:11:00.000-05:00Well, I beg to differ on that point because asides...Well, I beg to differ on that point because asides from establishing the fact that <B><I>Hezbollah are a tough nut to crack</B></I> obviously intelligence could relate to the extent of their armoury, military moves etc.. Surely there must be something of value to be gained from an analysis of such a situation by those qualified to do so, in my opinion.?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156267169276064952006-08-22T12:19:00.000-05:002006-08-22T12:19:00.000-05:00How could an attack on Hezbollah provide ‘valuable...How could an attack on Hezbollah provide ‘valuable intelligence’ anything other than that Hezbollah are a tough nut to crack?beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156254940743105222006-08-22T08:55:00.000-05:002006-08-22T08:55:00.000-05:00Beatroot,Many thanks for your reply and I fully ap...Beatroot,<BR/>Many thanks for your reply and I fully appreciate your acknowledgement that personal opinion is necessary to conduct any form of debate. However, is it not true as you have so eloquently pointed out "<I><B>ragbag armies like Hezbollah’s are very hard to defeat militarily</I></B>" is consistent with my opinion that this attack provided valuable intelligence for any plans either the US or Israel have??https://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156249002104800282006-08-22T07:16:00.000-05:002006-08-22T07:16:00.000-05:00Troutsky,before we can expect freedom, democracy a...Troutsky,<BR/><BR/><I>before we can expect freedom, democracy and human rights a foundation of justice must first be laid</I> <BR/><BR/>Stalin, Pol Pot and that North Korean dude have said exactly the same thing! It took them forever to bring 'a foundation of justice'. What you're describing is the essence of the TOTALITARIAN LEFT's propaganda. <BR/><BR/>It's a lie. <BR/><BR/>THERE IS NO JUSTICE WITHOUT FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156241151154638182006-08-22T05:05:00.000-05:002006-08-22T05:05:00.000-05:00ycAnd I fully appreciate your right to tell me whe...ycAnd I fully appreciate your right to tell me when I am talking bullshit. And I hope you do to in reverse. It’s called ‘debating’. Fact is, in my humble opinion, the Israel-Hezbollah thing was not a rehearsal for a US strike on Iran. The two are not comparable. And the US and Israel have only learnt one thing from it…ragbag armies like Hezbollah’s are very hard to defeat militarily.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156236258284448352006-08-22T03:44:00.000-05:002006-08-22T03:44:00.000-05:00beatroot said: How would Israel bombing a rag bag ...beatroot said: <I>How would Israel bombing a rag bag ‘hit and hope’ army like Hezbollah give the US any clue at all of what a war with Iran would be like? In one day Hezbollah sent over 200 rockets and killed one person! <BR/><BR/>Have you not seen the recent military exercises going on in Iran this week? This is a proper army, air force. This is the largest, most advanced military force in the region, apart from Israel. <BR/><BR/>The post is ridiculous. <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Nevertheless this as I have previously stated is mere opinion and is a comment regarding the subjective thoughts of the us government. I fully appreciate what you have to say and am well aware of its contents. My comment relates to what the us may be "thinking" not who has the biggest or most sophisticated army. Obviously the us has a vested interest in its potential allies.<BR/><BR/>The fundamental feature of this blog is the ability to express your opinion and it is in that very spirit that I fully acknowledge and appreciate yours.?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156235992310403992006-08-22T03:39:00.000-05:002006-08-22T03:39:00.000-05:00Redwine is correct about the Sambo remark. I shou...Redwine is correct about the Sambo remark. I should have called JB on it earlier.<BR/><BR/>There are better ways to attack Condi, than using a racist term. she was even a failure as a Sovietologist.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156234359974266332006-08-22T03:12:00.000-05:002006-08-22T03:12:00.000-05:00"How do you (and your ally Sonia)" - only the per..."How do you (and your ally Sonia)" - only the personal attacks were missing. Especially that Sonia mostly disagrees with beatroot and vice versa.<BR/><BR/>Using ethnic slurs (sambo)in a public place - and a blog is a public place - is racist. If there is a problem with Condi, that is definitely not what JB suggests..<BR/><BR/>"you either fight against imperialism, or you're supporting it" - that tells a lot about all the Chechens and Afghans who were victims of the USSR invasion (unable to fight it), an imperialism some don't mind at all. This Stalinist "whoisnotwithusisagainstus" gives me the creeps.Agneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14427327588753930703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156224692625611882006-08-22T00:31:00.000-05:002006-08-22T00:31:00.000-05:00John Brown said (vomited) : Pick your poison. As a...John Brown said (vomited) :<BR/><I> Pick your poison. As a lackey, dupe, and mouthpiece of MafiaDon Rumsfeld or Sambo Rice, you're racist, ignorant, and wrong no matter what we discuss.</I><BR/><BR/>Where did this sambo nonsense come from? And who are you calling a racist? If it’s me then I would like you to back that up please. And after you cannot back it up I want an apology. <BR/><BR/>Good discussion, Renegade but I think you have a couple of psychos in here.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156224611416216552006-08-22T00:30:00.000-05:002006-08-22T00:30:00.000-05:00I would support those positions JB on the conditio...I would support those positions JB on the condition that resistance(#4)does not include killing innocent civilians. Moral equivalancy has little to do with numbers, IMO, if you use the disgusting tactics of your enemy you are no better than them.<BR/><BR/>Why is beatroot so hung up on discussing domestic issues? Thats some kind of litmus test for legitimacy? Sonia, before we can expect freedom, democracy and human rights a foundation of justice must first be laid.And don't expect every cultures definition of these Jeffersonian ideals to be exactly the same. No country has yet achieved these idealistic (and admirable) goals, not even Jeffersons.troutskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16020298501632120830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1156220338962020972006-08-21T23:18:00.000-05:002006-08-21T23:18:00.000-05:00Beetroot: The map in the lower right corner, shows...Beetroot: The map in the lower right corner, shows people from all over the world, come to this blog. I surfed sites from several countries, to get international traffic. I met you on my Poland day blog search. Internationalism effects all aspects of my life, from the Vietnamese restaraunt where I eat, to the Univision TV shows I watch. I'm sure in 2008, with elections for the presidency, I'll be dissing Hillary, John Edwards, Russ Feingold and John McCain.<BR/><BR/>JB: Four demands equals four coalitions. Point #1, is atleast a demand you can make on the US government.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.com