tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post8624464772953720705..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: On the Assassination of Raúl Reyes and the Colombian Government’s Aggression Against Ecuador and Venezuela - CMR StatementFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-2687454900190066892008-03-10T19:20:00.000-05:002008-03-10T19:20:00.000-05:00All this hypocritical raving about how evil FARC i...All this hypocritical raving about how evil FARC is from the resident brown shirts is just too much! Let's look at it rationally for once. The nucleus that became FARC would have never developed without the bloody 20 year civil war between Liberal and Conservative factions of the Columbian ruling class. This same FARC nucleus would have never developed into an insurgent army and lasted for 40+ years without the Columbian state terrorizing and murdering non-insurgent socialists, trade unionists and social activists. Armed struggle occurs when peaceful change is blocked and few ruling classes on earth have been as brutal and violent in their suppression of peaceful change than the Columbian oligarchy. They are the real cause of FARC.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-75535165420013044472008-03-09T19:44:00.000-05:002008-03-09T19:44:00.000-05:00Foxessa: I didn't really understand the McCain ref...Foxessa: I didn't really understand the McCain reference.<BR/><BR/>The poor fool bottled himself into being George Bush's proxy.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-58703781394880788612008-03-09T19:06:00.000-05:002008-03-09T19:06:00.000-05:00Ren -- Honestly, really, I am aware of just how ig...Ren -- Honestly, really, I am aware of just how ignorant both billary and obama are about everything to do with the Caribbean, Mexico, Central America, Latin America and Brasil.<BR/><BR/>Honestly.<BR/><BR/>Love, C.Foxessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06754083123669916994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-81197024136963475642008-03-09T08:28:00.000-05:002008-03-09T08:28:00.000-05:00Troutsky,reporting on this little drama was some o...Troutsky,<BR/><BR/><I>reporting on this little drama was some of the worst I've seen (...) completely de-contextualized propaganda</I>, <BR/><BR/>I wonder why... Gee, might this have something to do with the martyrdom of Ingrid Betancourt ? Let's see: FARC kidnaps and tortures her. Then, her torturers are killed in a cross-border raid. And the Western media refuses do "contextualize" that raid. What an injustice !<BR/><BR/>Earth to Troutsky: after that kidnapping, the FARC have about as much international sympathy as the neo-Nazis. The Colombian military can play cricket with the severed heads of FARC leaders and the Western media will look the other way.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-38293025527362043122008-03-09T00:16:00.000-06:002008-03-09T00:16:00.000-06:00The reporting on this little drama was some of the...The reporting on this little drama was some of the worst Ive seen, and that's really saying something.Even public radio was completely de-contextualized propaganda. Grim.troutskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16020298501632120830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-57132407366984347552008-03-08T19:29:00.000-06:002008-03-08T19:29:00.000-06:00Sonia: You are blessed with telepathic powers, and...Sonia: You are blessed with telepathic powers, and can read minds that the rest of the world is unable.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-9863719954046534512008-03-08T16:07:00.000-06:002008-03-08T16:07:00.000-06:00Ren,, this is from BBC, a few minutes old.It clear...Ren,<BR/><BR/><I>, this is from BBC, a few minutes old.<BR/><BR/>It clearly shows Chavez didn't want to go to war.</I> <BR/><BR/>No. It only proves that Ecuador's Correa is a reasonable guy. It also proves that Nicaragua's Ortega is a reasonable guy, by re-establishing relations with Colombia.<BR/><BR/>Chavez is probably sulking in a corner, angry at his allies for being so forgiving.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-24327790531701933172008-03-08T16:00:00.000-06:002008-03-08T16:00:00.000-06:00Ren,I'm sure you know that you can condemn an assa...Ren,<BR/><BR/><I>I'm sure you know that you can condemn an assasination, without agreeing with the victim's politics.</I> <BR/><BR/>Chavez's over-the-top foam-in-the-mouth overreaction to the raid went far beyond "comdemning an assassination". This wasn't a reaction of a neutral observer concerned about a border violation. This was a reaction of a passionate supporter driven insane by grief over the death of a beloved comrade.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-65349196269279856272008-03-07T16:53:00.000-06:002008-03-07T16:53:00.000-06:00this is from BBC, a few minutes old.It clearly sho...<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7284597.stm" REL="nofollow">this</A> is from BBC, a few minutes old.<BR/><BR/>It clearly shows Chavez didn't want to go to war.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-21812220980855523352008-03-07T16:12:00.000-06:002008-03-07T16:12:00.000-06:00Foxessa: Obama and Clinton are equally reactionary...Foxessa: Obama and Clinton are equally reactionary on Latin America, if not more so.<BR/><BR/>Poetryman: Atleast the US is reduced to using proxies. It can't intervene, like in the Dominican Republic in the 1960s.<BR/><BR/>Farmer: Nobody disagrees FARC is unpopular.<BR/><BR/>You might find <A HREF="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20080304/index.htm" REL="nofollow">this</A> interesting.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if <A HREF="http://venezuelafoia.info/sumatea.html" REL="nofollow">this</A> was on the computer of documents supposedly found. See <A HREF="http://www.fygeditores.com/sanford/doc/Learning%20to%20Kill%20by%20Proxy.pdf" REL="nofollow">this</A> as well.<BR/><BR/>Sonia: I'm sure you know that you can condemn an assasination, without agreeing with the victim's politics. I don't agree with religious Zionism, but I have no problem condemning those who killed the people in the library. The Corriente Marxista Revolucionaria, if they politically agreed with FARC, they would say so. To start with FARC is a Stalinist formation. <BR/><BR/>The news reports as at Yahoo this AM, has been saying Chavez has been playing a reconcilatory role, mediating between Colombia and Ecuador.<BR/><BR/>A war is not in Chavez or Venezuela's interest.<BR/><BR/>Under all the rhetoric, there is no proof of Chavez supporting financially the FARC. I do think there are corrupt, bureaucratic people in the Venezuela government, who need to be removed.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-50069453615800281482008-03-07T14:56:00.000-06:002008-03-07T14:56:00.000-06:00This situation feels much like the policies that w...This situation feels much like the policies that were being put in place by the regime prior to 9/11, to triangulate Venezuela and Cuba via Colombia.<BR/><BR/>One feels the pressure the warmongers are putting on Uribe. His move was a bad one, strategically speaking, crossing national lines into another nation with an armed force.<BR/><BR/>Once again the U.S. regime is putting this nation and its military in a no-win situation: Iraq is still grinding up our military forces and supplies; it wants to hit Iran; and it wants to hit Venezuela -- all before they're taken out of office. But, you know, they'll have McCain to play proxy for them and their long-term goals.<BR/><BR/>Love, C.Foxessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06754083123669916994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-61764976914264416612008-03-07T14:26:00.000-06:002008-03-07T14:26:00.000-06:00(2) Are the documents recovered by the Colombian g...<I>(2) Are the documents recovered by the Colombian government legitimate (I reserve judgment until the OAS and the U.N. get a chance to examine their authenticity)</I>...<BR/><BR/>I think that the death, today, of Ivan Rios is a pretty good testament as to the authenticity of the intelligence collected in Ecuador.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-24529286243479403812008-03-07T14:09:00.000-06:002008-03-07T14:09:00.000-06:00Update - Another FARC'in Icehole bites the dust to...Update - Another FARC'in Icehole bites the dust today in Columbia.... <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_R%C3%ADos" REL="nofollow">Ivan Rios</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-85347859423762536362008-03-07T12:54:00.000-06:002008-03-07T12:54:00.000-06:00Ren,You could spare us such extreme pro-FARC propa...Ren,<BR/><BR/>You could spare us such extreme pro-FARC propaganda.<BR/><BR/><I>1) The post doesn't have one word of political support to FARC.</I> <BR/><BR/>Are you kidding ? Raúl Reyes was a FARC leader. The article denounces his assassination. It's a pro-FARC article.<BR/><BR/><I>Locally there's a Maoist group in Minneapolis that supports FARC. They don't attend events in support of Venezuela.</I>, <BR/><BR/>How ungrateful of them. Sometimes love is very one-sided. Chavez's foam-in-the-mouth reaction to Reyes's assassination is all the prove I need that Chavez is fanatically pro-FARC.<BR/><BR/><I>2) Not even the bourgoise news commentators believe they are legit.</I><BR/><BR/>False. Everybody (except Chavez supporters) know that Chavez supports FARC. That's obvious even without any documents. Chavez's own statements are more than enough.<BR/><BR/><I>3) It's not in Venezuela's interest to have a war.</I><BR/><BR/>Correct, but it is in Chavez's interest to have a war. He believes (he might even be right) that Uribe's regime is on the brink of collapse. All it needs is a little push from the Venezuelan military.<BR/><BR/>Besides, since Uribe is 100% convinced that Chavez supports the FARC, Chavez must also be convinced that Uribe supports Venezuelan opposition against Chavez. That's the real reason Chavez wants a war with Colombia.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-3849219844979334312008-03-07T08:53:00.000-06:002008-03-07T08:53:00.000-06:00Uribe's attack on Reyes' FARC camp in Ecuador rece...Uribe's attack on Reyes' FARC camp in Ecuador received an <A HREF="http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/?p=12627" REL="nofollow">83%</A> approval rating from the Columbian people...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-69149582543291132752008-03-07T08:42:00.000-06:002008-03-07T08:42:00.000-06:00Columbians are sick of those FARC'in Iceholes! An...Columbians are sick of those <A HREF="http://youtube.com/watch?v=9NCOYK8MgOo" REL="nofollow">FARC'in Iceholes</A>! And support for Hugo's aggressions in Columbia amongst Venezuelans is rapidly approaching zero. Venezuelans are more interested in the oil for food trade deal with Argentina than in any grand Bolivarian wet-dreams of Hugo Chavez.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-40460190423915383232008-03-06T23:28:00.000-06:002008-03-06T23:28:00.000-06:00Rather appropriate slogans!The US...anything she t...Rather appropriate slogans!<BR/><BR/>The US...anything she touches in that part of the world (and most others) is not for the good of the people of any particular country. It is for the interests of the US (empire) and nothing will change until we change it. <BR/><BR/>Until the American people wake up from their blissful slumber I'm afraid the world will have to wait...or in the famous words of a naked man, "Bring `em on!"...<BR/><BR/>Most haven't a clue as to the tentacles of empire that have stretched bloody paws in Venezuela, Cuba, Africa, Israel, Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq...and coming soon to a theatre near you- Iran.<BR/><BR/>Wonderful post!Mark Prime (tpm/Confession Zero)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04683863540465969835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-40598226014289783422008-03-06T21:45:00.000-06:002008-03-06T21:45:00.000-06:00Dave: Chavez has correctly labeled FARC, a bellige...Dave: Chavez has correctly labeled FARC, a belligerant force, as opposed to a terrorist group. They hold land and use military rank.<BR/><BR/>1) The post doesn't have one word of political support to FARC. Notice in the last paragraph, none of the slogans call for support to FARC. In addition catch the part, where the article says only the Colombian working class can lead a revolution. It also says that fight has been going on for seventy years. I saw FARC's website, and it totally lacks program.<BR/><BR/>I do know Fidel hates them.<BR/><BR/>Locally there's a Maoist group in Minneapolis that supports FARC. They don't attend events in support of Venezuela.<BR/><BR/>2) Not even the bourgoise news commentators believe they are legit.<BR/><BR/>3) It's not in Venezuela's interest to have a war. It would cripple the socialist project. The moderate governments denounced Uribe, without Chavez having to tell them to.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-16101020986374484902008-03-06T19:58:00.000-06:002008-03-06T19:58:00.000-06:00This situation is immensely complex. It has brough...This situation is immensely complex. It has brought a lot of interesting questions to the table. A couple of my major ones I am wrestling with before I write a short piece on this extremely volatile situation: (1) What should the left's attitude towards FARC be, considering that both Uribe's government and FARC have been complicit in a plethora of human rights atrocities and terrorist acts? (2) Are the documents recovered by the Colombian government legitimate (I reserve judgment until the OAS and the U.N. get a chance to examine their authenticity) and if so, should Chavez be held accountable the same way Reagan and Bush should have for Iran-Contra? (3) Will Chavez be able to use this to polarize some of the more moderate-to-left Latin American leaders, such as Cristina Kirchner?<BR/><BR/>To this point, I think Chavez has responded appropriately to Colombia's actions. What no one seems to recognize is that it is in Chavez's interests to see an end of the Colombian civil war, because the unrest in the region subverts the spread of Bolivarianism. Though I have no doubt Chavez wishes a regime change in Colombia, I'm still not convinced his support for FARC is anything more than a choice between the lesser of two evils who happen to be his neighbors.MC Fanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04966360672502646830noreply@blogger.com