tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post8385484937774093443..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Iranian Revolution: Second Open ThreadFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-87324618882124087192009-06-29T11:25:07.706-05:002009-06-29T11:25:07.706-05:00An afterthought...
Mind you, what Cromwell then d...An afterthought...<br /><br />Mind you, what Cromwell then did - a contrivance called the 'Parliament of Saints' was less than a conspicuous success.<br /><br />It did have a rather wonderfully named member though. He really was called 'Praise God Barebones' - unsurprisingly he changed his name at the Restoration.<br /><br />But I digress...white rabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693920049571164318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-33820033992423318782009-06-29T11:20:40.298-05:002009-06-29T11:20:40.298-05:00How do Ifeel about the Labour Party? Same as Cromw...How do Ifeel about the Labour Party? Same as Cromwell felt about the Rump...<br /><br />'You have sat too long for any good you may have done ... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!'<br /><br />Or - more prosaically and contemporaneousy...<br /><br />'If you're not part of the solution you're [part of the problem'.white rabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693920049571164318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-79345243454384864192009-06-23T21:04:23.717-05:002009-06-23T21:04:23.717-05:00Larry G: At the local antiwar coalition meeting th...Larry G: At the local antiwar coalition meeting this weekend, we called for an action supporting the Iranian working class. Never were we so isolated there. Not even the 4th Int'l supported us. Some said the secular movement is all upper class. The only slogans they support is no US intervention, no embargo.<br /><br />It turns out a group called Women Against Military Madness is having a forum, one day before ours, with an Iranian professor who is pro-Ahmadinejad. We're going to expose her.<br /><br />Max: I think the working class is united, maybe not organized. <br /><br />There has been calls by the Bus Workers Union for more action, and no support to either candidate.<br /><br />I agree with the direction of the article.<br /><br />Jams: Labour Start has worked for Iranian workers diligently.<br /><br />FJ: I support Chavez, but don't endorse him. Same as how I feel towards the Labor Party of the UK.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-69422088210190461172009-06-23T13:52:30.307-05:002009-06-23T13:52:30.307-05:00I look forward to finding comfort in your post on ...I look forward to finding comfort in your post on Hugo/Venezuela. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-31076590983799823122009-06-23T13:35:32.251-05:002009-06-23T13:35:32.251-05:00But enough of Galloway here is something all fello...But enough of Galloway here is something all fellow trade unionists should support<br /><br />http://www.justiceforiranianworkers.org/jams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-85937758506258243622009-06-23T13:28:56.270-05:002009-06-23T13:28:56.270-05:00Unsuprisingly George Galloway has has supported Ah...Unsuprisingly George Galloway has has supported Ahmadinejad Larry.jams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-80955724452285070662009-06-23T12:31:11.816-05:002009-06-23T12:31:11.816-05:00Other than Chavez who else has taken a naive line ...Other than Chavez who else has taken a naive line on the Iranian events? All the people I am familiar with, anarchists, IMT, Int Secretariat, CP, IS, etc support the revolt.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-17384708727954200232009-06-23T11:34:46.312-05:002009-06-23T11:34:46.312-05:00Renegade--
What makes you think the working class ...Renegade--<br />What makes you think the working class is united? I saw the report about a general strike, but it's unconfirmed (still) which seems pretty striking.<br /><br />As for linking to Giordano, his performance has been cheer-leading and futurology, totally vacuous, with a patina of radical grassrootsism and historical analogies to give it the appearance of thoughtfulness.jewbonicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179220313237449896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-60316350510505122009-06-23T08:38:31.570-05:002009-06-23T08:38:31.570-05:00Desert Mystery: Thank you for visiting again.
Cha...Desert Mystery: Thank you for visiting again.<br /><br />Chavez has taken an incorrect position. An article is being written disagreeing him, while supporting the revolutionary process in Venezuela.<br /><br />Chavez believes my enemies friend is also my enemy.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-82556445071174354422009-06-23T02:56:48.493-05:002009-06-23T02:56:48.493-05:00I'm looking forward to read what Chavez has to...I'm looking forward to read what Chavez has to say about all of this.Desert Mysteryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00155639029263499347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-34649798477273033312009-06-22T21:28:08.564-05:002009-06-22T21:28:08.564-05:00K: There are four points needed for revolution:
1)...K: There are four points needed for revolution:<br />1) Divided ruling class. Check<br />2) Vacillating middle class. Check<br />3) United working class. Check<br />4) Revolutionary leadersship. Uncheck.<br /><br />Weezie: See the blog of the Iranian feminist who contributes to my blog ,<a href="http://maryamnamazie.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Maryam Namazie</a>.<br /><br />CB: Neither. See my response to K. The question of organization and leadership is still unresolved. It has become more militant than what Mousavi wants.<br /><br />The US only wants stability. They would prefer Mousavi, but will settle for who is on top. <br /><br />This has been brewing atleast since 1999.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-18330657140138005462009-06-22T20:42:40.275-05:002009-06-22T20:42:40.275-05:00Khameni pointed out that Mousavi is just as much p...Khameni pointed out that Mousavi is just as much part of the establishment as Ahmadenijad. What he didn't point out is that support for Mousavi obviously represented more than the marginal shift he himself campaigned for.<br /><br />For the materialists here, do they think those rioting and risking their lives are doing so to leave one form of state tyranny for another? Isn't it more likely that they were encouraged by the voting they saw taking place in neighboring Iraq and Afghanistan and as imperfect as those fits and starts were toward a liberal representative republic, they inspire universal hope for the oppressed.<br /><br />Were they rebelling for the abolition of private property or for the freedom and prosperity that is derived from it?Craig Bardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02247430738711822531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-62987283856904952812009-06-22T17:35:48.155-05:002009-06-22T17:35:48.155-05:00what i love the most abt what is happening is that...what i love the most abt what is happening is that it seems some of the women have found their voices (and hopefully won't feel the intense wrath of all those who would keep them down).WeezieLouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02682016939159540663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-17992295090283022982009-06-22T16:57:56.527-05:002009-06-22T16:57:56.527-05:00Is it a revolution? Do the protestors have the pol...Is it a revolution? Do the protestors have the political and organizational capacity for a general strike?K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10222703055177237209noreply@blogger.com