tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post6829783056099282756..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Charlie abandoned his factory: Arrufat chocolate without a bossFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-79836462108394866082009-06-15T01:57:56.540-05:002009-06-15T01:57:56.540-05:00Daniel: The discussion was under control.
Nevin w...Daniel: The discussion was under control.<br /><br />Nevin was wrong for her attack, at a time when nothing was happening to merit an attack. The discussion was under control. You came and resurrected the diversion, and tried to bring the discussion to Nevin's blog.<br /><br />I don't delete, because I don't want to feed the right's sense of victimhood. It would mean endless free speech diversions.<br /> <br />Sentinel: You weren't attacked. You should have stayed out of the conversation.<br /><br />Jams: I agree.<br /><br />FJ: Both liberals and conservatives have been lax on issues of corporate monopoly. You might find token examples here and there. Both sides feed from the same trough.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-65150187472644320292009-06-14T13:45:42.131-05:002009-06-14T13:45:42.131-05:00I really do not understand how " Don't ta...I really do not understand how " Don't talk about your dead mom that way you subhuman c*** " could ever by taken out of context really - and I dont think any normal person could, in fact.<br /><br />Or "I'm sorry to hear your dad raped you." <br /><br />Or "would you like me to rape you?"<br /><br />(And by the way I am the one covering this filth up with asterix's)<br /><br />And like I said, this was just one example of your gutter behaviour and language. <br /><br />After I very unfortunately became associated with you online, I received an enormous barrage of comments from many different ID's - as you well know - all focused on some pretty virulent hatred of you. In fact, it was far too much decency wise - not to mention far too legally precarious - to allow and so I was forced for the first time ever to delete comments and suspend comments temporally altogether. Pretty amazing stuff really.<br /><br />And in fact, someone just sent me a link with your latest filthy online abuse campagin:<br /><br /><br />"Normal Bloke, your language, style and content make a wonderful snap shot of the subhuman c***s that make up the BNP."<br /><br /><br />And so on, to the point where even the blog owner Duncan (who, though I have found to be not fan of rational free speech does seem to have a high tolerance for foul abuse) obviously feels it has crossed the line and tells you:<br /><br /><br />"Let’s give it a rest shall we"<br /><br />http://nationofduncan.wordpress.com/2009/06/08/prepare-for-a-wave-of-hysteria/#comments<br /><br /><br />Yet another blog where you have been behind "the damage that has been wrought" and "the people put off from contributing"The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-80912194287083920192009-06-14T10:16:44.977-05:002009-06-14T10:16:44.977-05:00To repeat a comment I left here some time ago:
&q...To repeat a comment I left here some time ago:<br /><br />"Renegade:<br /><br />I don't comment here anymore...because of the people that frequent here.<br /><br />I think that's a shame.<br /><br />The atmosphere here is not good at all and the argument that to delete means getting rid of 'evidence' doesn't wash.<br /><br />Oh well."Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-31056495444290102722009-06-14T10:15:07.580-05:002009-06-14T10:15:07.580-05:00Sentinel:
My comment was in relation to what Nevi...Sentinel:<br /><br />My comment was in relation to what Nevin said, that seems on-topic enough.<br /><br />As for the links you utilise, out of context may I add, they prove nothing. <br /><br />You do not show what happened at the blog in questio, you do not show the torrent of abuse myself and the blog writer in question M@ were subjected to.<br /><br />You just pick the elements out that suit your argument, which is what you do with pretty much everything.<br /><br />I am free, as others are to share my feelings via the comments here, inspired by what Nevin wrote.<br /><br />Simple as that.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-45055759770902512852009-06-14T09:20:11.440-05:002009-06-14T09:20:11.440-05:00hoffmann-gill,
Unlike FJ, you are completely off ...hoffmann-gill,<br /><br />Unlike FJ, you are completely off topic.<br /><br />"the damage that has been wrought"<br /><br />From free speech?!<br /><br /><br />"and the people put off from contributing."<br /><br />By opposing opinions?! Bless those delicate flowers!<br /><br /><br />And you have enormous front even thinking you are in a position to condemn anyone making a rational and reasoned comment when your online conduct is in the gutter and includes such gems at these:<br /><br /><br />"Don't talk about your dead mom that way you subhuman c***"<br /><br />"I'm sorry to hear your dad raped you."<br /><br />"would you like me to rape you?"<br /><br /><br />http://whyihatedc.blogspot.com/2009/05/at-borders-there-is-no-oral-sex.html?showComment=1242049980000#c892167496454030392<br /><br /><br />And that is just one example of your online interactions. At least three others with identities on that blog were also clearly shocked at your level of depravity and asked you to stop and told you that you had ruined the blog, including the blog owner in a post, but you just carried on with your disgusting filth anyway.<br /><br /><br />http://whyihatedc.blogspot.com/2009/04/why-i-hate-why-i-hate-dc.html<br /><br /><br />So how would you the rate "the damage that has been wrought" with your disgraceful online conduct and the number of "the people put off from contributing" by it?The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-59530905218056159462009-06-14T07:24:06.075-05:002009-06-14T07:24:06.075-05:00Nevin is right FJ and has been for some time. Take...Nevin is right FJ and has been for some time. Take a look at every thread and see the damage that has been wrought and the people put off from contributing.Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-76275751524975554502009-06-13T22:52:46.458-05:002009-06-13T22:52:46.458-05:00"And who grants "corporate charters"..."And who grants "corporate charters" and thereby allows immortals to compete with mere mortals? Who grants and protects patents in the name of a wholly imaginary concept known as "intellectual property." "<br /><br />FJ, for once we agree on somethingLarry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-9031161804204348492009-06-13T13:52:45.649-05:002009-06-13T13:52:45.649-05:00Fiar play to the workers. I hp[e they can make go ...Fiar play to the workers. I hp[e they can make go of the business. They seem to have more interest than the previous ownerjams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-78086670717661343652009-06-13T13:01:58.027-05:002009-06-13T13:01:58.027-05:00In this period, Reaganism and liberalism like mono...<i>In this period, Reaganism and liberalism like monopoly.</i><br /><br />Proof?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-9405363884851507542009-06-12T21:14:32.692-05:002009-06-12T21:14:32.692-05:00I will be unable to respond this weekend. Keep th...I will be unable to respond this weekend. Keep the comments coming.<br /><br />FJ: Part of the job of the state, is to protect capitalism. It even protects capitalism from its excesses. It can play the role of breaking and building monopolies. In this period, Reaganism and liberalism like monopoly.<br /><br />China is experiencing its first major capitalist crisis. The bigger story, is with an actual proletariat, there is less chance of a historical accident like Maoism to take hold. Maoism wasn't based on the proletariat.<br /><br />The Chinese state, with its wealth, is taking away the safety net, like free healthcare.<br /><br />Ducky: Both government and free enterprise create monopoly. Again the state at times protects capitalists from excess.<br /><br />Nevin: Marie's post is quite good. We'll keep to it.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-8634891732303802192009-06-12T18:02:58.820-05:002009-06-12T18:02:58.820-05:00LOL! And who granted the monopolies to the Robber...LOL! And who granted the monopolies to the Robber Barons, mr. ducky?<br /><br />And who grants "corporate charters" and thereby allows <i>immortals</i> to compete with mere mortals? Who grants and protects patents in the name of a wholly imaginary concept known as "intellectual property."<br /><br />W/O government grants of and protection of monopolies and "intellectual property", capital could never accumulate sufficiently to create monopolies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-47265960006531639332009-06-12T09:41:47.768-05:002009-06-12T09:41:47.768-05:00Government's create monopolies, not private en...Government's create monopolies, not private enterprises.<br /><br />--------------------------<br /><br /> Laiseez-faire, last man standing economics creates monopoly.<br /><br /> Read up on the Robber Barons, Farmer. Happened right here in good old capitalist America and we had to deal with it. Then came St. Ronnie Raygun and the bad old days.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-19632782222444903442009-06-12T08:04:51.483-05:002009-06-12T08:04:51.483-05:00Ren, Every time I want to make a meaningful commen...<i>Ren, Every time I want to make a meaningful comment, it's cluttered with loud mouth, right wing demagogues..... It feels cluttered...</i><br /><br />Did I fart in your church? Sorry.<br /><br />I'm not preventing you from making any comments, meaningful or otherwise. If your looking for uncritical acceptance of your comments, then perhaps NOT making them IS the better course... for you.<br /><br />I thought that the Left supposedly LOVED <i>critical theory</i>, but I guess that only applies to the "other guy's" ideas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-88037737710320371362009-06-12T07:59:05.561-05:002009-06-12T07:59:05.561-05:00FJ: There are millions of Chinese, who receive non...<i>FJ: There are millions of Chinese, who receive none of the benefits of the new wealth.</i><br /><br />That still beats the hell out of having NO Chinese people with ANY wealth, which was the situation before the Chinese went capitalist.<br /><br />The glass is always half empty w/you. Why is that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-78091496514018252342009-06-12T01:21:06.011-05:002009-06-12T01:21:06.011-05:00Tony: Even Chicago had an occupation.
Pagan: The ...Tony: Even Chicago had an occupation.<br /><br />Pagan: The change in price and quality of the product, could have been tolerated by the workers, if they were receiving benefits and pay on schedule.<br /><br />Capitalism can't be regulated. It's based on an unregulated economy. You can't regulate what you don't own.<br /><br />Nevin: It used to be much worse. In the early days of this blog, there was exciting debate, that spread to other blogs. People are tiring.<br /><br />My blog introduced me to people all over the world.<br /><br />Anonymous: Should bosses have all the power?<br /><br />FJ: There are millions of Chinese, who receive none of the benefits of the new wealth.<br /><br />China's rapid industrialization took place, because of the foundation was set up, by however deformed, a socialist system. With capitalist industrial development comes a real working class, not a peasant/intellectual to eventually lead society.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-81777154555712984582009-06-11T23:24:08.277-05:002009-06-11T23:24:08.277-05:00Ren, Every time I want to make a meaningful commen...Ren, Every time I want to make a meaningful comment, it's cluttered with loud mouth, right wing demagogues..... It feels cluttered...<br /><br />I know, I will get a huge backlash for what I said.... but it doesn't take away from the truth!Nevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14695297829881237662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-82088398416942579432009-06-11T21:52:55.689-05:002009-06-11T21:52:55.689-05:00好秘书 我爱皮肤 中国公文网be government. Who else can or will ...<a href="http://www.bestmishu.com" rel="nofollow">好秘书</a> <a href="http://www.5ipifu.com" rel="nofollow">我爱皮肤</a> <a href="http://www.cngongwen.com" rel="nofollow">中国公文网</a>be government. Who else can or will moderate it? I wish it didn't have to be that way, but that's the world we live in. I don't for one second condone the workers taking overAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-68771082837672693812009-06-11T18:28:12.784-05:002009-06-11T18:28:12.784-05:00Government's create monopolies, not private en...Government's create monopolies, not private enterprises.<br /><br />ps - (after all, governments ARE monopolies, it's all they know)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-36192368049954902912009-06-11T18:16:11.818-05:002009-06-11T18:16:11.818-05:00FJ, I was taking the article at face value, and as...FJ, I was taking the article at face value, and assuming the company has something of a monopoly on the chocolate making business in the region. Monopolies tend not to care as much as businesses with legitimate competition. They don't have to, or assume as much. <br /><br />Evidently, if the article is right, they do use inferior ingredients in their products. This could be a means of broadening their customer base and offering products at an affordable price, I don't know.<br /><br />They might well have a division that makes a superior quality chocolate at a higher price. We're only getting one side of the story here.<br /><br />Still, you can't deny the predilection for blood lust against the competition that exists within the business world. That's fine to a point, but there needs to be a moderating influence, and sometimes unfortunately that has to be government. Who else can or will moderate it? I wish it didn't have to be that way, but that's the world we live in. I don't for one second condone the workers taking over the property and expropriating it, which is what this seems to be leading to.<br /><br />Sometimes businesses have to be reined in and moderated for their own good, and more importantly for the good of an industry in general. <br /><br />Can you imagine what it would have been like here if there had only been Ford, with a monopoly on the auto industry, with no Chrysler or GM as a competitive, and thus a moderating, influence?<br /><br />Before long, there would be no other option, the government would have had to step in a long time ago.SecondComingOfBasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336586430250490679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-32055353196263456412009-06-11T17:38:48.645-05:002009-06-11T17:38:48.645-05:00Oh, please, PT. You can't be serious. No one...Oh, please, PT. You can't be serious. No one ever "profitted" by cheating the public with an inferior product. A man who cheats another in a business transaction soon finds himself out of business. It's a one-shot trick that looses a man a customer for life.<br /><br />Business' must follow business cycles and markets. High quality chocolate one day, mm's the next. 300 employee's during economic good times, 90 during recession/ depressions.<br /><br />Demonizing capitalists, calling them greedy, etc. is counter-productive. China got it right. The '3 represents' and NOT <i>labor uber alles</i>.... THAT's the smart way to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-37293779753174210142009-06-11T14:08:05.897-05:002009-06-11T14:08:05.897-05:00This is what usually happens when there's no m...This is what usually happens when there's no moderating influence to balance businesses legitimate interests and need for profit. They too often when successful become too powerful, and detrimental to the competitive drive that makes capitalism flourish. <br /><br />In this case, they go from 300 employees making high quality chocolates to just under ninety poorly paid workers using inferior products as a means of cutting expenses just so the owners can rake in as much money as possible. <br /><br />It goes beyond workers rights, it also involves cheating the public by providing an inferior product, probably at a much higher price than it is really worth, and touches on fair competition aspects as well. It wouldn't surprise me to learn they were using some chemical additive to heighten the addictive power of their chocolate.SecondComingOfBasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336586430250490679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-24479858091327415262009-06-11T11:55:11.923-05:002009-06-11T11:55:11.923-05:00A Story To Inspire!direct action and occupations i...A Story To Inspire!direct action and occupations is the perfect answer & way Forward.<br />It will be interesting to see how it evolves.tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746435400444226665noreply@blogger.com