tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post5759938854154720444..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Stratfor: WikiLeaks and the Afghan WarFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-59334035167991983502010-08-18T15:40:06.264-05:002010-08-18T15:40:06.264-05:00Sentinel,
as they initially did in the Ukraine.
...Sentinel,<br /><br /><i>as they initially did in the Ukraine.</i> <br /><br />Not just Ukraine. And not just "initially". Two million Russians joined Vlasov's Army as late as 1944, when Red Army's victory was all but assured. And Don Cossacks, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Kalmyks, Tartars and almost every nation in the Caucasus also joined the anti-Soviet ranks during WWII.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-27825363415416769912010-08-18T14:36:35.457-05:002010-08-18T14:36:35.457-05:00"The Soviet Union got in the way"
As I ...<em>"The Soviet Union got in the way"</em><br /><br />As I have pretty much demonstrated at least a few times on this blog, the USSR would have completely collapsed almost immediately without massive US and British aid because the workers paradise was grossly incompetent in production and torturously backward in technology.<br /><br />To a much lesser effect but much more ignoble degree, the murderers of the NKVD played their part too executing enmasse the ‘work-shy’, dissatisfied workers or simply just the latest object of Stalin and his minions hatred and paranoia as well as gleefully machine gunning retreating Red Army soldiers and murdering returned Soviet POW’s.<br /><br />And to cap it all, all of the Marxist dogma went out of the window straight away in favour of a nationalist appeal to fight for the ‘Motherland’ because the communists knew that ordinary people care naught for their anti-human nature and anti-reality claptrap.<br /><br />The truth is that if the Germans had came - or even just pretended to come - as liberators the oppressed Soviet people would have joined them, as they initially did in the Ukraine. <br /><br />The communist knew that and were terrified of it.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-68539226894581064432010-08-18T09:40:20.266-05:002010-08-18T09:40:20.266-05:00Ren,
Ren,
The Soviet Union got in the way
Yes,...Ren,<br /><br />Ren,<br /><br /><i>The Soviet Union got in the way</i> <br /><br />Yes, a state capitalist Soviet Union led by Trotsky's murderer, who killed more Communists than Hitler, McCarthy and Pinochet combined....<br /><br />One day, you'll need to explain why you defend Stalin so much...soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-49367954070236361292010-08-17T22:48:33.699-05:002010-08-17T22:48:33.699-05:00Hitler's Germany didn't make a good hegemo...Hitler's Germany didn't make a good hegemon. The Soviet Union got in the way.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-79563479986004365492010-08-17T06:13:36.361-05:002010-08-17T06:13:36.361-05:00Troutsky,
The remarkable thing is what a lousy he...Troutsky,<br /><br /><i>The remarkable thing is what a lousy hegemon the U.S. turned out to be!</i>, <br /><br />No doubt Hitler's Germany would make a much better hegemon that everybody could admire.<br /><br />It's funny how people always admire winners and despise losers. Skratch a Marxist and an opportunist is always underneath...<br /><br />One day you'll understand that "lousy hegemon" is the best kind.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-48159353986626052932010-08-16T20:19:43.559-05:002010-08-16T20:19:43.559-05:00Troutsky: I agree.
The long term planning was com...Troutsky: I agree.<br /><br />The long term planning was completely based on illusions.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-59679489495567100482010-08-16T08:08:26.483-05:002010-08-16T08:08:26.483-05:00Like all of history it was a convergence of factor...Like all of history it was a convergence of factors. The remarkable thing is what a lousy hegemon the U.S. turned out to be!<br /><br />A few good decades then ruin.troutskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16020298501632120830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-72944730449879643022010-08-15T15:27:30.026-05:002010-08-15T15:27:30.026-05:00Sonia: That article may be right. There are no de...Sonia: That article may be right. There are no details to the plot. <br /><br />Sentinel: I agree the neoconservatives had great influence.<br /><br />We've gone around before. I don't see war with Iran any time soon. The US needs Iran and Syria to withdraw from Iraq.<br /><br />Anonymous: The Iraq War drained the ruling class. It made so little sense. Afghanistan is an irrational drain as well.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-65577366246429613082010-08-15T02:40:28.850-05:002010-08-15T02:40:28.850-05:00Rog says: -
The PNAC document was based on an ea...Rog says: - <br /><br />The PNAC document was based on an earlier document written by the same crowd called "Clean Break"<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm<br /><br />I agree the americans were led into the war by powerful people who had other interests at heart, the bush assassination plot is just an urban myth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-7597687557461544802010-08-14T05:44:14.127-05:002010-08-14T05:44:14.127-05:00Personally, I don't think Bush fought the Iraq...<em> Personally, I don't think Bush fought the Iraq War for the "empire". It was personal. He wanted to overthrow Saddam Hussein because he tried to assassinate his father.</em><br /><br />The problem with all that is that Bush didn’t conceive or plan the Iraq war – these people did:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110" rel="nofollow">Reference</a><br /><br />They were the authors of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and had called for the invasion of Iraq long before 9/11 – their long awaited and much desired “new ‘Pearl Harbour.”<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#.22New_Pearl_Harbor.22" rel="nofollow">Reference</a><br /><br />It was these people who led Bush by the nose and not just in Iraq but Afghanistan too, and their influence can still be felt with the forthcoming war against Iran.<br /><br />Bush and his ‘daddy’ was just a coincidental sideshow.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-71163950555989733242010-08-13T00:23:12.041-05:002010-08-13T00:23:12.041-05:00Ducky: If there was the remotest chance there was ...Ducky: If there was the remotest chance there was WMD's, there would have been no invasion.<br /><br />At one time, it was believed the US army will contain or circle Iran, and be mobile to attack anyone else. Those days are gone. All Middle East governments are unstable. Bush was delusional.<br /><br />Sonia: It makes more sense daily. Even Chomsky denies <i>ownership</i> of oil, as a reason. Control of who buys it, is an issue.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-81719521521659594052010-08-12T21:03:37.749-05:002010-08-12T21:03:37.749-05:00I don't know the details
Back in 1993, Clint...<i>I don't know the details</i> <br /><br />Back in 1993, Clinton actually ordered a huge bombing raid on Iraq in retaliation, after discovering the details of the assassination plot.<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/iraq/timeline/062793.htm<br /><br />A year later, in 1994, Dubya went into politics, winning his very first election (as governor of Texas). Coincidence ?soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-49752097702164008162010-08-12T20:52:43.412-05:002010-08-12T20:52:43.412-05:00Still, anyone who doesn't realize this is ALL ...Still, anyone who doesn't realize this is ALL about Iran and not some two bit dictator with "weapons of mass destruction"(LMAO) is really missing a good game.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-10997003207346547692010-08-12T20:50:31.299-05:002010-08-12T20:50:31.299-05:00The Afghanistan fiasco isn't going well. That&...The Afghanistan fiasco isn't going well. That's no revelation.<br /><br /> So maybe on of McChrystal's homeboys released the leaks. How much does it matter?<br /><br /> Fact is that the right wing diaper pissers are still afraid that the crack Afghan spec-ops are going to night drop and put botulism in their corn flakes. We are a nation of frightened children who do understand the party is over, the dollar is dogshit and the empire is no more.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-2525706415665434492010-08-12T17:57:59.720-05:002010-08-12T17:57:59.720-05:00Sonia: I'm starting to agree with you. I don&...Sonia: I'm starting to agree with you. I don't know the details of the threat.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-28287336780002050752010-08-12T06:40:16.030-05:002010-08-12T06:40:16.030-05:00I don't know much about Saddam trying to kill ...<i>I don't know much about Saddam trying to kill Bush's father.</i> <br /><br />You would know more if it was YOUR father...<br /><br />This is life. You kill millions of Kurds and Shiites and Iranians... and nobody says anything. But then you mess with one (only ONE) wrong motherfucker and... WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED ? Why is the entire US military on my ass ???<br /><br />"I don't care about any "balance of power" bullshit. You tried to kill my daddy!"soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-90009659368239239602010-08-12T01:36:43.007-05:002010-08-12T01:36:43.007-05:00I don't know much about Saddam trying to kill ...I don't know much about Saddam trying to kill Bush's father. I've heard that.<br /><br />To some supporters, having a mobile US military presence in the Middle East was a goal. That turned into a disaster.<br /><br />Some on the left won't admit Bush's democracy rhetoric was a good point about him. He gave that up quick.<br /><br />I think Obama will want to do a SOFA type agreement in Afghanistan.<br /><br />The wars disrupted balances of power, between India and Pakistan, and Iraq and Iran.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-66129949233806602072010-08-11T16:10:02.505-05:002010-08-11T16:10:02.505-05:00the reason finance capital went for Obama so stron...<i>the reason finance capital went for Obama so strong, is because Bush was a disaster for the empire.</i><br /><br />100% correct. <br /><br />But most leftists still don't get it. Their stupidity is really amazing.<br /><br />Personally, I don't think Bush fought the Iraq War for the "empire". It was personal. He wanted to overthrow Saddam Hussein because he tried to assassinate his father.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-10277686802042751242010-08-11T15:40:27.035-05:002010-08-11T15:40:27.035-05:00Obama made it his war.
I've been thinking lat...Obama made it his war.<br /><br />I've been thinking lately, the reason finance capital went for Obama so strong, is because Bush was a disaster for the empire.<br /><br />In Iraq, a Sunni dictator, was replaced by a pro-Iranian dictator. It's inevitable the Taliban will return to power.<br /><br />The goals of both wars, were not achieved.<br /><br />Iraq will have another Bonapartist dictatorship. The Shiites are rural. They don't know any other kind of government.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-29400030223225194832010-08-11T13:11:20.226-05:002010-08-11T13:11:20.226-05:00Democrats really made a huge blunder in 2008 when ...Democrats really made a huge blunder in 2008 when they called Iraq "the wrong war" and Afghanistan "the right war", while it was precisely the opposite.<br /><br />Now, it's Obama's war and he can't really withdraw without losing face.<br /><br />I think it will drag on, as a kind of low-intensity conflict, until the parties concerned will get tired of it.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.com