tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post5496499335431559403..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: A Blanket Boycott of Israel??Frank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger299125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-43291855374845212682007-09-19T20:11:00.000-05:002007-09-19T20:11:00.000-05:00Anonymous: Thank you for your post. You don't nee...Anonymous: Thank you for your post. You don't need to be anonymous here.<BR/><BR/>I think a boycott of a university, will hurt leftists and workers. In addition it strikes at attacking academic freedom.<BR/><BR/>I think the left should join working class based groups in Israel, and build a base.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-50063243553602033982007-09-19T05:39:00.000-05:002007-09-19T05:39:00.000-05:00As always, there's truth in this polemic. At botto...As always, there's truth in this polemic. At bottom, however, it's economistic nonsense.<BR/><BR/>First, it's a red herring. It's a polemic against a blanket boycott of Israel, which is not the position of the UCU or many on the left. A boycott of Israeli institutions and goods is not the same thing as a boycott of Israelis.<BR/><BR/>Second, the key issue with the national question is the difference between oppressor and exploited. Other may say it's outdated, but I still think it's correct to view Israel as a colonial settler state with a labour aristocracy that benefits materials from the exclusion and exploitation of Arab labour. Yossi writes of the boycott of universities as equally impacting on students and teachers. However, Israeli universities are not pluralist, inclusive, non-sectarian or in any way neutral. They are largely mechanisms that reinforce and reproduce Zionist dominance.<BR/><BR/>Third, the UCU does not claim that the boycott ended apartheid. Again, that's a red herring. That would be as simplistic as Yossi's claim that it was trade union struggle that ended apartheid.<BR/><BR/>Fourth, in itself the boycott is neither a reformist more revolutionary strategy. Boycotts can be ways of making solidarity and raising consciousness, as well as materially weakening the oppressor. The UCU debate, for example, has opened up the debates excellently.<BR/><BR/>Fifth, Yossi's opposition to the boycott is maximalist: his criticism is that the boycott campaigners do not spell out the need for socialism. He calls for a workers' boycott of Israel's arms trade, which modestly resembles a transitional demand, as if this in any way poses the question of socialism any better than the UCU campaign, which is more able to gain momentum and thus change consciousness.<BR/><BR/>There are some criticisms of the boycott campaign: principally that it also needs to be better used as a tool to educate Jews and Israelis about the need for solidarity. That is a difficult task, and one that Yossi seems not to be priorisiting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-24012339846788898172007-09-15T07:55:00.000-05:002007-09-15T07:55:00.000-05:00Good point!Good point!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-20553645763818023712007-09-15T05:54:00.000-05:002007-09-15T05:54:00.000-05:00Terry,They can't call themselves Christians and be...Terry,<BR/><BR/>They can't call themselves Christians and believe what they say. Not enough compassion, acceptance, forgiveness, or any other acts of kindness. How are they Christian? Good Samaritan? The hypocrisy!<BR/><BR/>To easy to win this argument too.<BR/><BR/>Didn't Jesus throw traders out of the temple? Quite a socialist act, I think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-18226644463405717922007-09-14T17:46:00.000-05:002007-09-14T17:46:00.000-05:00CLA:Remember: I'll take the high road and you take...CLA:<BR/><BR/>Remember: I'll take the high road and you take the low road. I'll be in Scotland before ye...<BR/><BR/>lol.<BR/><BR/>He's just having a tantrum because we caught him discussing angels and praising Jehovah. As you would if you were a walking contradiction. Even the Texans think he's a prick and that's saying something. lol.<BR/><BR/>He has a mental illness. Perhaps, we shouldn't tease him, but try and find him some help? I'm sure Professor Dawkins would oblige. lol. <BR/><BR/>Beamish's world view is completely opposed to ours because we've visited the real world; Beamish has only heard about it on TV. Let him keep babbling. And to think he's an alleged 'christian'! When did Jesus advise war, hatred and racism? He seems to have missed the point entirely!<BR/><BR/>I just can't debate with religious extremists. I wish I'd noticed that sooner and not wasted my time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-31411287243988774922007-09-14T06:11:00.000-05:002007-09-14T06:11:00.000-05:00Terry,We "need directions to the high road". LOLI ...Terry,<BR/><BR/>We "need directions to the high road". LOL<BR/><BR/>I haven't slaged Mr Beamish, for ages. He has, since I stopped. LOL!<BR/><BR/>I suppose the readers can see that for themselfs too. If I'm going to be accused of that, I may as well do it again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-31566812395028311342007-09-14T06:02:00.000-05:002007-09-14T06:02:00.000-05:00Huh..., huh...., Cool!Beavis and Butthead are grea...Huh..., huh...., Cool!<BR/><BR/>Beavis and Butthead are great. Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-76822832833815361462007-09-14T01:11:00.000-05:002007-09-14T01:11:00.000-05:00I see Terry and Cla still need directions to the h...I see Terry and Cla still need directions to the high road. <BR/><BR/>I'm wondering how these feebs are going to convince anyone down at the docks that Israel is a "terrorist state" to be boycotted.<BR/><BR/>"Well, Israel is a terrorist state because your mom blows goats!"<BR/><BR/>All that's missing is the Beavis and Butthead laugh.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1942005390613350702007-09-13T18:52:00.000-05:002007-09-13T18:52:00.000-05:00Cla:All the information is available. This is a us...Cla:<BR/><BR/>All the information is available. This is a useless argument. Beamish thinks he's a defence lawyer at the Hague, not a user on a blog site! Talk about a superiority complex.<BR/><BR/>They won't check anything Cla. They don't want to debate. The Israel issue is embedded into their sinister religious ideology. It's pointless and there's nothing to gain. <BR/><BR/>I'm glad you checked them out. Told you they where nutballs. I read that conversation about angels too.<BR/><BR/>Christians filled with hatred and full of vitriol. That's just a huge, whopping contradiction. Didn't Jesus say LOVE thy neighbour? And I'm not even a Christian! lol. The hypocrisy.<BR/><BR/>How can you have a decent debate with individuals who have serious mental health issues? It's a shame really. I think it's down to living in a bubble and being exposed to so much fallacy. These guys are 'proper' middle American rednecks. They remind me of the yokels in Deliverance - FJ's probably sat on a porch right now, playing the banjo and flirting with his mother.<BR/><BR/>With Beamish though, he seems quite literate, despite being cognitively challenged, and that'll cost money in the US. My guess is he's a little middle class shit stain, who spent all daddy's money at college. <BR/><BR/><B>That's why he's sat in front of his computer chatting shit and he's not in the middle east fighting for what he claims to believe in. Says it all.</B><BR/><BR/>I just can't continue to debate with religious extremists, especially when they're mentally ill. <BR/><BR/>Angels? WTF??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-68593375264006052952007-09-13T16:57:00.000-05:002007-09-13T16:57:00.000-05:00Terry,Another intellectual comment from Mr Beamish...Terry,<BR/><BR/>Another intellectual comment from Mr Beamish, I see. LOL!<BR/><BR/>That's as bad as FarmerFuckwitts "accidents don't count". And now we give you "How do we know...". LOL!<BR/><BR/>Whatever next? "I don't think so..", "Maybe it didn't...".<BR/><BR/>Is it just me Terry, or can the infomation on Mossad Terrorist Attacks, be found everywhere? Any simple search will find the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-91604256549726944592007-09-13T15:33:00.000-05:002007-09-13T15:33:00.000-05:00"...killing an estimated 100 alleged members of th...<I>"...killing an estimated 100 alleged members of the PLO and 3 civilians..."</I><BR/><BR/>How do we know it wasn't 100 members of the PLO and an estimated 3 alleged civilians? Or 100 estimated PLO members, 2 alleged civilians, and 1 nobody knew how to catagorize?<BR/><BR/>Rubes. Is this an estimated body count, or an alleged one?<BR/><BR/>You can't get any more retarded than Terry's and Cla's class. Oh how grade school oppresses you.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-90462424499166443892007-09-13T14:25:00.000-05:002007-09-13T14:25:00.000-05:00Terry,I like this point so much, I though I'd post...Terry,<BR/><BR/>I like this point so much, I though I'd post it again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-31909171120915205692007-09-13T14:19:00.000-05:002007-09-13T14:19:00.000-05:00OPERATION WRATH OF GOD: The Mossad carried out rev...OPERATION WRATH OF GOD: The Mossad carried out revenge attacks against alleged members of Black September.<BR/><BR/>1. VICTIM ONE<BR/>October 16th, 1972: Palestinian Abdel Wael Zwaiter shot 12 times in his apartment building in Rome.<BR/><BR/>2. VICTIM TWO<BR/>December 8th, 1972: Dr. Mahmoud Hamshari, died in hospital after Mossad bombed the telephone in his apartment.<BR/><BR/>3. VICTIM THREE<BR/>January 24th, 1973: Hussein Al Bashir killed by a bomb placed under his bed.<BR/><BR/>4. VICTIM FOUR<BR/>April 6th 1973: Dr. Basil Al-Kubaissi shot 12 times by Israeli agents whilst returning home.<BR/><BR/>- OPERATION SPRING OF YOUTH: Mossad agents and IDF Special Forces covertly entered Beirut and Sidon, killing an estimated 100 alleged members of the PLO and 3 civilians including an Italian female.<BR/><BR/>5. VICTIM FIVE<BR/>April 11th 1973: Zaiad Muchasi blown up in his hotel room in Athens.<BR/><BR/>6. VICTIM SIX<BR/>June 28th, 1973: Mohammad Boudia, murdered by a landmine beneath his car seat.<BR/><BR/>7. VICTIM SEVEN<BR/>July 21st, 1973: Ahmed Bouchiki, a Moroccan waiter, shot repeatedly whilst walking with his pregnant wife, because agents confused him with Ali Hassan Salameh, the alleged leader of Black September. Five agents were caught and convicted of murder by Norway.<BR/><BR/>8. VICTIM EIGHT<BR/>July 27th, 1979: Zuheir Mohsen gunned down in France.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-39997702144505142762007-09-13T14:16:00.000-05:002007-09-13T14:16:00.000-05:00Farmer Fuckwitt,Your horses cock soon sinks into y...Farmer Fuckwitt,<BR/><BR/>Your horses cock soon sinks into your mouth.<BR/><BR/>I do enjoy "your level" of debate. This is great fun.<BR/><BR/>Finish off Black Beauty into your mouth, there's a good boy. Don't forget to chug!<BR/><BR/>Do you want to debate about "angels"? LOL! I've seen that debate with you and Mr Beamish. LOL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-36731352417997210112007-09-13T14:07:00.000-05:002007-09-13T14:07:00.000-05:00Cla,You promised that Terry was bringing a devasta...Cla,<BR/><BR/>You promised that Terry was bringing a devastating argument. <BR/><BR/>Were you lying?(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-70436725114746699802007-09-13T11:53:00.000-05:002007-09-13T11:53:00.000-05:00A house can't be built unless it first has stable ...<I>A house can't be built unless it first has stable foundations.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, it can be built all right, laddy. But just like your argument, it soon sinks into the <A HREF="http://youtube.com/watch?v=g3YiPC91QUk" REL="nofollow">swamp</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-13340712711025539812007-09-13T09:34:00.000-05:002007-09-13T09:34:00.000-05:00Tete di merd! I speak French?!Tete di merd! I speak French?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-73939869117235197772007-09-13T08:41:00.000-05:002007-09-13T08:41:00.000-05:00Mr Beamish and Farmer John:Dribbling shit to yours...Mr Beamish and Farmer John:<BR/><BR/>Dribbling shit to yourself again, Weasel? You're useless.<BR/><BR/>Yes, Manchester is full of sissy's and we all speak French?! What a prick you've just made of yourself?! Ignorant, arrogant pseudoamerican.<BR/><BR/>Not bothered reading the rest. Yawn....<BR/><BR/>Anyone can read through this 'debate' and come to their own conclusions. Your opinions have little effect and it is thankful that you have no influence in academic circles, or in the world at large.<BR/><BR/>I have come to the conclusion, after researching your presence in cyberspace, that you are both fundamental christians, by whatever denomination you pledge your allegiance.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, I will not debate with religious fundamentalists. This does though explain your lack of evidence, your righteousness, your confusion of opinion with fact and your recurrent gullibility, given that your entire ideology is founded on fantasy, without evidence. A house can't be built unless it first has stable foundations.<BR/><BR/>You both fluctuate between ad hominen attacks and syllogistic reasoning, not to mention sheer arrogance, contradiction, misinference and recurent hypocrisy. It's impossible to have a reasonable debate with a reasonless opponent, as it is impossible to discuss quantum theory with a chimpanzee.<BR/><BR/>So, this debate is over. The war is not. My only failure was not realising that I was dealing with religious fundamentalists in the first place. I will not condone, engage, support or tolerate religious extremism in any form, including your group, who I believe are as dangerous as any fundamental Islamist.<BR/><BR/>This debate IS over. I accept victory, thank you, and now I leave the stage. Please continue to dance like pantomime clowns. I'd laugh if you weren't so dangerous.<BR/><BR/>Au revoir.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-47761445737653618692007-09-13T02:55:00.000-05:002007-09-13T02:55:00.000-05:00Terry,Your conclusions from your "research into my...Terry,<BR/><BR/>Your conclusions from your "research into my presence in cyberspace" is as empty-handed as your quest for an Israeli violation of international law. <BR/><BR/>I'm nominally a Christian, far from fundamentalist. I think Farmer John is a deist. <BR/><BR/>What's the point of "researching my presence in cyberspace?" What's my presence in cyberspace got to do with the observable fact you lack a rational, coherent, and most importantly, defensible reason to call Israel a terrorist state. <BR/><BR/>I can truly imagine you trying to organize a boycott of Israel down at the docks.<BR/><BR/>Au revoir!<BR/><BR/>(Manchester? Is that the sissy part of England that speaks French?)(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-55166068312566811832007-09-12T19:28:00.000-05:002007-09-12T19:28:00.000-05:00Farmer John,Finished sucking that horse cock then....Farmer John,<BR/><BR/>Finished sucking that horse cock then. At least long enough to come out with that shit.<BR/><BR/>You just say things anyway, for the hell of it. Even if they are really stupid. You never really qualify responding to. You're just an idiot, a moron, someone of intellectual deficiency. A fucking Evangelist too!<BR/><BR/>Keep fucking and sucking your horse, waiting for the Rapture.<BR/><BR/>I hope the whole wrath of God thing is true, because you're all fucked!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-35892846606960226832007-09-12T17:22:00.000-05:002007-09-12T17:22:00.000-05:00ps - It doesn't take a mindreader to figure out th...ps - It doesn't take a <I>mindreader</I> to figure out that the Pseudostinians aren't following international law or what their intentions are, does it. (rhetorical question)<BR/><BR/>Even a hillbilly could do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-11782536371829175172007-09-12T17:19:00.000-05:002007-09-12T17:19:00.000-05:00Gee, did the INNOCENT victim's of Pseudostinian Te...Gee, did the INNOCENT victim's of Pseudostinian Terror bombings get a trial?<BR/><BR/><I>Where's your international law gone now?</I><BR/><BR/>Good question! LOL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-40377398992413395132007-09-12T15:52:00.000-05:002007-09-12T15:52:00.000-05:00Mr Beamish and Farmer John:Dribbling shit to yours...Mr Beamish and Farmer John:<BR/><BR/>Dribbling shit to yourself again, Weasel? You're useless.<BR/><BR/>Anyone can read through this 'debate' and come to their own conclusions. Your opinions have little effect and it is thankful that you have no influence in academic circles, or in the world at large.<BR/><BR/>I have come to the conclusion, after researching your presence in cyberspace, that you are both fundamental christians, by whatever denomination you pledge your allegiance. <BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, I will not debate with religious fundamentalists. This does though explain your lack of evidence, your righteousness, your confusion of opinion with fact and your recurrent gullibility, given that your entire ideology is founded on fantasy, without evidence. A house can't be built unless it first has stable foundations.<BR/><BR/><B>You both fluctuate between ad hominen attacks and syllogistic reasoning, not to mention sheer arrogance, contradiction, misinference and recurent hypocrisy. It's impossible to have a reasonable debate with a reasonless opponent, as it is impossible to discuss quantum theory with a chimpanzee.</B><BR/><BR/>So, this debate is over. The war is not. My only failure was not realising that I was dealing with religious fundamentalists in the first place. I will not condone, engage, support or tolerate religious extremism in any form, including your group, who I believe are as dangerous as any fundamental Islamist.<BR/><BR/>This debate IS over. I accept victory, thank you, and now I leave the stage. Please continue to dance like pantomime clowns. I'd laugh if you weren't so dangerous.<BR/><BR/>Au revoir.<BR/><BR/>ps. Come knock me physically on my arse anytime, little Princess. You'll be decimated as you were verbally. We don't need guns, we have fists. You obviously know nothing about British culture. We're in Manchester matey - you're always welcome to come try.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-55385966677915748812007-09-12T14:38:00.000-05:002007-09-12T14:38:00.000-05:00Cla,Don't bother attempting to continue the civil ...Cla,<BR/><BR/>Don't bother attempting to continue the civil discussion if you, like Terry, can not:<BR/><BR/>1. Show Israel has intentionally violated any international laws as per the 4th Geneva Conventions protocols<BR/><BR/>2. Stick to agreement on the stated definitions of terrorism (which rely upon law)<BR/><BR/>3. Stick to agreement that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization as per the definition of terrorism via it's violations of the Geneva Conventions concerning perfidy and indiscriminate targeting of civilians.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>Terry, <BR/><BR/>In order of what's worth responding to:<BR/><BR/><I>1. We are not at the Hague. You are not an international defense lawyer. Neither am I. Get your head around it.</I><BR/><BR/>You are not an international prosecutor. You employ legal terms like "terrorism" as pejoratives, not charges under international law. <BR/><BR/><I>2. We are on a blog?! The highest level of debate we can hope to achieve is an academic debate.</I><BR/><BR/>An academic debate would stick to outlining a definition of terrorism to appeal to, and make a case from there, rather than gainsaying and casting mealymouth ad hominem attacks at those who disagree with you on academic grounds that concretely rest upon the definition of terrorism agreed upon. <BR/><BR/><I>3. The truth is not absolute. The law is not absolute. You are not absolute.</I><BR/><BR/>There goes your claim of being "commited to truth," out the window with your meaningless insults of "fascist" and "gay." <BR/><BR/>This is a philosophical difference. I believe "truth" is that which can be tested and verified. You believe "truth" is whatever you you think you can get away with saying until someone knocks you on your ass, intellectually or physically.<BR/><BR/><I>4. There is no formal ratified definition for terrorism.</I><BR/><BR/>There were tentatively agreed upon definitions of "terrorism" in this discussion, until your house of cards was demolished. You're not an effective debater.<BR/><BR/><I>5. The United States has made a mockery of international law, the Geneva convention and the United Nations. They're becoming worthless and legality is not the basis of this argument.</I><BR/><BR/>More opinion. "Wah! International law doesn't say what Terry wants it to say! Wah!" <BR/><BR/>I think we're done here. I am.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-73696666350781049982007-09-12T13:01:00.000-05:002007-09-12T13:01:00.000-05:00Mr Beamish,I'm going to remain civil with you, eve...Mr Beamish,<BR/><BR/>I'm going to remain civil with you, even though you lowered the tone, again.<BR/><BR/>Mr Beamish, your argument remains the same in a few sites I've seen. You are on numerous sites, making the same arguments and comments.<BR/><BR/>Nowhere have you proved any evidence or anything, other than your opinion. Not just here, but all the other sites too. That Mr Beamish, simply, will not do.<BR/><BR/>You time and again provide nothing but opinions, always just your own. NOT GOOD ENOUGH! EVIDENCE NEEDED!<BR/><BR/>This is pointless! You make it so!<BR/><BR/>Look again, MORE from Terry and FUCK ALL from you!<BR/><BR/>I'm not going to bother anymore. Or, maybe just to provide the other sites for all to see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com