tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post3402250889568387505..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: The Iraq War Comes Home to RoostFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-48469193036317010812007-09-22T03:48:00.000-05:002007-09-22T03:48:00.000-05:00"The amount of money given to Israel over the year..."The amount of money given to Israel over the years is microscopic compared to the amount of money given to Europe".<BR/><BR/>I think you really need to recalculate. I see mathematics is not your strong point either. May you should try writing fairy tales.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-19300127240074607262007-09-22T03:40:00.000-05:002007-09-22T03:40:00.000-05:00Mr Beamish,Yet again, all I can say is WOW!. Your ...Mr Beamish,<BR/><BR/>Yet again, all I can say is WOW!. Your stupidity continues to amaze me.<BR/><BR/>"Europeans can't go 10 years without sparking a war amongst themselves".<BR/><BR/>America can't go 2 seconds without invading a weaker country. You're such a hypocrite. You have some nerve, you really do. The list of weaker countries invaded by the U.S, is enormous. Also, you could add attempted coop's to the list. In countries that are non of American concern. You all do like to butt in, don't you? Vietnam and Cuba spring to mind for 2 reasons.<BR/><BR/>1. No reason to invade.<BR/>2. Got your asses kicked.<BR/><BR/>Britain = "biggest deadbeat of the bunch".<BR/><BR/>What is the current exchange rate from Pound to Dollar?<BR/>We're at the top of the tree. How are we deadbeats when the Pound wipes the floor with the Dollar?!<BR/><BR/>You could be the most stupid man on the planet. I don't even think it was a close contest. You won easily!<BR/><BR/>Go away you pathetic, little man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-28904677696679464822007-09-20T01:23:00.000-05:002007-09-20T01:23:00.000-05:00European recipients of the Marshall Plan to redist...European recipients of the Marshall Plan to redistribute America's wealth to the sub-civilized warmongers of Europe took in what was at the time (1949 1951) roughly 31% of America's GDP.<BR/><BR/>Adjusted for inflation to 2006 dollars, the Marshall Plan dropped some $104 billion in direct cash towards reconstruction in Western Europe. Britain, the largest recipient / biggest deadbeat of the bunch recieved $27 billion (2006 dollars) from the Marshall Plan. <BR/><BR/>This bulk amount given above from the Marshall Plan itself does NOT include the costs of maintaining a American military presence in Europe to deter Soviet invasion (quite noticibly while France uses its own military to pursue control of its "former" colonies to this day...), nor does it even approach the purchase amount of assistance given in raw materials, fuel, and foodstuffs to keep Europeans alive long enough to piss money at them. <BR/><BR/>The thing that really sticks in my craw is the criticism of the amount of money given to Israel by America that usually comes from Europeans. The amount of money given to Israel over the years is microscopic compared to the amount of money given to Europe WE WERE NEVER PAID BACK.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-32562765523223871572007-09-19T15:36:00.000-05:002007-09-19T15:36:00.000-05:00Ren,Beamish: I never met anyone pro-capitalist, wh...Ren,<BR/><BR/><I>Beamish: I never met anyone pro-capitalist, who disagreed with the Marshall Plan before.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, I wouldn't mind it being paid back (since it was a loan) at interest. It's not America's fault Europeans can't go 10 years without sparking a war amongst themselves.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-52755620638185366442007-09-19T11:54:00.000-05:002007-09-19T11:54:00.000-05:00Beamish: I never met anyone pro-capitalist, who di...Beamish: I never met anyone pro-capitalist, who disagreed with the Marshall Plan before.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-2101275036401167432007-09-19T01:05:00.000-05:002007-09-19T01:05:00.000-05:00Cla,Think what could be done in your country with ...Cla,<BR/><BR/><I>Think what could be done in your country with all that money.</I><BR/><BR/>I feel similarly about the Marshall Plan.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-38449332814244533272007-09-18T18:17:00.000-05:002007-09-18T18:17:00.000-05:00Mr Beamish,"we're only shelling out around $2 bill...Mr Beamish,<BR/><BR/>"we're only shelling out around $2 billion a week in Iraq". Wow, another amazingly stupid statement.<BR/><BR/>"I'd say we've got a pretty long time to dance before worrying about how to pay for stuff". Amazing, you did it again. Remarkably stupid.<BR/><BR/>"the revenue income to the US economy brought by the just the labor of West Coast longshoremen alone per week will finance the Iraq War for 8 weeks". You're relentless in your stupidity.<BR/><BR/>Think what could be done in your country with all that money. <BR/><BR/>You dumb shit!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-36640496297828107482007-09-17T10:40:00.000-05:002007-09-17T10:40:00.000-05:00Considering that analysts were worried that the lo...Considering that analysts were worried that the longshoremen's strikes on the West Coast in 2002 would have put a $48 billion hit on the US economy in a matter of three weeks, and we're only shelling out around $2 billion a week in Iraq, I'd say we've got a pretty long time to dance before worrying about how to pay for stuff, at least as far as the Iraq War is concerned. <BR/><BR/>In rough figures, the revenue income to the US economy brought by the just the labor of West Coast longshoremen alone per week will finance the Iraq War for 8 weeks.<BR/><BR/>Clearly blaming infrastructure neglect on budget shortfalls and then by extension the budget shortfalls on the Iraq War is a chump's argument. We're $2 billion a week away from becoming the next Argentina?(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-23694902594476120332007-09-17T08:45:00.000-05:002007-09-17T08:45:00.000-05:00Well said Larry. Even the fascist-apologist Mr Bea...Well said Larry. Even the fascist-apologist Mr Beamish (and his best friend Wikipedia) could only come up with a poor tit-for-tat solution.<BR/><BR/>Juggling capital and redirecting funds is never a solution, especially by pulling funding from the Department of Health and Human Services. The latter needs increasing if the U.S. is to meet the needs of its poorer citizens and match the provisions offered by , for example, Canada and the UK.<BR/><BR/>The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan has only seen the nations funding redirected into the coffers of the corporate elite, as PNAC originally proposed (using veiled terms) in 1997. <BR/><BR/>And isn't Halliburton in the process of moving its base of operations to Dubai, thus removing those vast war profits from the US economy and certainly further from the reach of the American people?<BR/><BR/>I dread to think what the future holds for the American people when so many outside interests are squeezing the country dry, accompanied and helped by their own administration and the oligarchs at the head of the corporate monopolies. <BR/><BR/>Poor America: robbed and raped whilst it slept.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-24479963864284609082007-09-17T08:20:00.000-05:002007-09-17T08:20:00.000-05:00Okay Beamish, whatever you say. I'm so intellectua...Okay Beamish, whatever you say. I'm so intellectually inadequate. Whatever will I do? <BR/><BR/>Now, go away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-84433916357754227932007-09-16T22:09:00.000-05:002007-09-16T22:09:00.000-05:00Larry,Other than personally avoiding the titty-twi...Larry,<BR/><BR/>Other than personally avoiding the titty-twister contest of what budget cut is necessary to bolster domestic infrastructure spending (largely why I haven't commented on this post), I agree that more domestic infrastructure spending is needed. <BR/><BR/>I bet the budget of the Department of Health and Human Services could put every bridge up to spec and still have grip left over to fill potholes.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-31879321691758370522007-09-16T19:59:00.000-05:002007-09-16T19:59:00.000-05:00I week after Ren's posting on infrastructure and n...I week after Ren's posting on infrastructure and not a one of our resident apologists for the corporate state have come up with a single rational argument to counter it. Says a lot about the state of reaction these days...Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-89195296171505009902007-09-16T17:26:00.000-05:002007-09-16T17:26:00.000-05:00Yes, Terry, let's get back to you tossing insults ...Yes, Terry, let's get back to you tossing insults at people and grandstanding as a safety valve for all your pent up feelings of intellectual inadequacy. I'm pretty sure that's the reason Renegade Eye published a post on physical infrastructure spending in the United States.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-50265936031797316632007-09-16T14:37:00.000-05:002007-09-16T14:37:00.000-05:00Yawn Beamish... That's what the loser always says....Yawn Beamish... That's what the loser always says.<BR/><BR/>Go away and stop clogging up the thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-55369373722342118492007-09-16T07:06:00.000-05:002007-09-16T07:06:00.000-05:00Mr Beamish,Have you considered suicide. LOL. I wou...Mr Beamish,<BR/><BR/>Have you considered suicide. LOL. I would, if I thought I was as stupid as you are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-52277945487040670772007-09-16T02:08:00.000-05:002007-09-16T02:08:00.000-05:00Terry,You referebced my screen name 5 times in thi...Terry,<BR/><BR/>You referebced my screen name 5 times in this thread before I left a comment here. Seems quite seriously indicative of obsessive envy. You don't seem to be dealing with the ass-whoopin' you took in the Israel thread very well. <BR/><BR/>Have you considered taking up yoga?(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-28958661706289316542007-09-16T01:15:00.000-05:002007-09-16T01:15:00.000-05:00Sonia: I would have one foot in the established pa...Sonia: I would have one foot in the established party, the other in the streets. Unfortunately I'm based in the US, where there is no labor based party.<BR/><BR/>I have a question for you. Have you ever been politically active, involved with a cause? Are you an activist on any issues?<BR/><BR/>It's not about strong over weak. I hope it's tactical flexibility, combined with principle.<BR/><BR/>Dave Marlow: I was at an antiwar demonstration today, sponsored by a group close to ANSWER. The politics was vague. There are several antiwar coalitions, that refuse to have joint action. The good part was that the prowar demo was under 10 people. <BR/><BR/>I'm so warped, that when the prowar people chanted, I thought it was the antiwar group. They were chanting about Iraqi freedom.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-384170256877325732007-09-15T18:42:00.000-05:002007-09-15T18:42:00.000-05:00I like the focus of this post as opposed to other ...I like the focus of this post as opposed to other Iraq commentaries because you're asking the right questions. People are still hell-bent on proving that the war has harmed the Iraqi people. I view this point as stipulated.<BR/><BR/>Though Americans are not losing their lives in sectarian violence and pseudo-warlordism, they are taking a major economic beating which often gets overlooked in lieu of the worse tragedy. The observations in your post are important for socialists to make, because no one else seems concerned with bringing those matters to light.MC Fanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04966360672502646830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-10816266738365545712007-09-15T14:42:00.000-05:002007-09-15T14:42:00.000-05:00Your loss was very sad. Everyone can go to that th...Your loss was very sad. Everyone can go to that thread and watch you squirm.<BR/><BR/>You made a useless comment so I responded, as I always will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-53867488694962751662007-09-15T13:06:00.000-05:002007-09-15T13:06:00.000-05:00Terry,I've not particpated in this thread at all. ...Terry,<BR/><BR/>I've not particpated in this thread at all. Take your loss in the Israel thread like a man and stop obsessing over me.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-10994219605122961342007-09-15T13:03:00.000-05:002007-09-15T13:03:00.000-05:00One has to laugh when someone like Sonia claims th...One has to laugh when someone like Sonia claims that Ren supports the strong against the weak. As for your "facts" - the NDP does not support the Cons, not in the least. What they did was in my estimation a tactical error in an effort to replace the Liberal Party as party the center-left, by attacking the Libs more than the Cons. This was a mistake but it cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered support for the most regressive, anti-people party in our history. (PS, I am not NDP - when I vote - I vote Green) As for accusing the PSUV of slaughering its opponants, man, what a grotesque, Goebbels like lie that is! As for Labour, UK and Isreal, you have to understand the Trotskyist entriest concept - something I do not agree with, I should add, but nonetheless, it is not the same as supporting the reactionary leadership of these parties but is done as a method of reaching Labour's broad mass of working class support in the hope of converting the party to socialism. Trotskyists have been trying this for generations without result, so it is not something I agree with, but it is a tactic and is not a form of regression to supporting the right-wing of these parties as you claim.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-42420872388331287702007-09-15T09:30:00.000-05:002007-09-15T09:30:00.000-05:00Ren,I would join the Labor Party in the UK, as I w...Ren,<BR/><BR/><I>I would join the Labor Party in the UK, as I would the NDP in Canada, Obrador's party in Mexico, PSUV in Venezuela or the Labor Party in Israel.</I><BR/><BR/>So you would help Bush fight his wars, then you would vote to keep the minority Conservative government in Canada in power, then you would try to start a revolution in Mexico, then you would slaughter all your political opponents who refused to join your party and finally you would bomb Lebanon...<BR/><BR/>Hmmm... Actually, there is a common thread among all those parties (except the Mexican one) - they all support the strong against the weak.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-36059340825644472862007-09-15T08:51:00.000-05:002007-09-15T08:51:00.000-05:00Ren:I don't deserve credit for that list. A member...Ren:<BR/><BR/>I don't deserve credit for that list. A member of the Australian Communist Party posted it a while ago. Can't remember where! He said he was sick of justifying his beliefs to capitalists. I just added a few. We should co-write the Black Book of Capitalism and expand on each of those points. lol.<BR/><BR/>The coops in Venezuela are very interesting. I saw a dutch documentary that visited several of these facilities and it is a fantastic initiative. The people were so proud to be working and contributing to their communities. I'll find it again and post it on my site. <BR/><BR/>Viva Chavez!<BR/><BR/>Beatroot:<BR/><BR/>lol. Good one! Ergh, what did you say again... lol<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the response. I understand what you mean about the TUs. British politics is in such a mess! New Labour is a disgrace but there's no real alternative. I think I'll vote by not voting next time round, which is a real failure for democracy.<BR/><BR/>Princess Beamish:<BR/><BR/>How's the seraphim?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-79537225141169357852007-09-15T08:39:00.000-05:002007-09-15T08:39:00.000-05:00Gordon Brown idolizes Thatcher. He's using conserv...Gordon Brown idolizes Thatcher. He's using conservative campaigners too.<BR/><BR/>Thatcher ruined the UK. Now it's time for round 2. I dread to think what Brown's going to do next. The north/south divide is bad enough as it is. It's like being in two different countries. That's what you get from conservatives. Keep the elite rich and fuck everyone else. Who cares? <BR/><BR/>That's the Thatcher way!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-57306677468490214192007-09-15T06:57:00.000-05:002007-09-15T06:57:00.000-05:00Maggie Thatcher, last time I saw her, was seriousl...Maggie Thatcher, last time I saw her, was seriously zombie-fied...resembled Ronnie Reagan in his latter years. God know what they talked about....she has apprently no short term memory and just keeps repeating what she said five minutes ago. <BR/><BR/>It will probably happen to all of us one day.<BR/><BR/>Maggie Thatcher, last time I saw her, was seriously zombie-fied...resembled Ronnie Reagan in his latter years....<BR/><BR/><BR/>....Oh dear.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.com