tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post1616706446334480597..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Bolivia: Decisive Action Needed to Confront the OligarchyFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-36297522488970142072008-10-26T19:32:00.000-05:002008-10-26T19:32:00.000-05:00Not every one's a Catholic, Ren.Not every one's a Catholic, Ren.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-87874171096130240462008-10-26T13:02:00.000-05:002008-10-26T13:02:00.000-05:00Being against abortion and contraception, often co...Being against abortion and contraception, often come as a package.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-90530330972380739292008-10-25T13:35:00.000-05:002008-10-25T13:35:00.000-05:00FJ: You have a contradiction to deal with, being m...<I>FJ: You have a contradiction to deal with, being malthusian and opposing birth control and abortion.</I><BR/><BR/>Who said I opposed birth control? I oppose abortion AS birth control, much as I prefer Prometheus (forethought) to Epimetheus (afterthought).<BR/><BR/>Are you familiar w/Plato's "Laws"? Population control is fundamental to political stability.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-8701820622564557302008-10-25T06:55:00.000-05:002008-10-25T06:55:00.000-05:00Econoticias Bolivia has an interesting article abo...Econoticias Bolivia has an interesting article about the constitution - <BR/>http://thecommune.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/morales-tones-down-constitution-to-secure-his-re-election/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-57685633150246175612008-10-24T21:40:00.000-05:002008-10-24T21:40:00.000-05:00Sonia: The cause of the problem with the electric ...Sonia: The cause of the problem with the electric grid was diagnosed in 15 minutes. I talked about this at Graeme's blog.<BR/><BR/>R.E.II: You are getting hard to keep track of. The new blog looks good.<BR/><BR/>FJ: You have a contradiction to deal with, being malthusian and opposing birth control and abortion.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-18238115544293781452008-10-24T20:15:00.000-05:002008-10-24T20:15:00.000-05:00Ren,The electric grid is being fixed By whom ? Nob...Ren,<BR/><BR/><I>The electric grid is being fixed</I> <BR/><BR/>By whom ? Nobody is working in Venezuela. Why would they ? Chavez is feeding them even if they don't lift a finger. If I was paid the same for working as for not working, I wouldn't work neither...<BR/><BR/>Larry,<BR/><BR/><I>Apocalypto is a shitty movie</I><BR/><BR/>No, it's not. It's a great movie. <BR/><BR/>And are you saying that the Aztecs and the Mayas didn't perform human sacrifices ? Or that the oppressed Tlaxcalans didn't welcome Cortez as a liberator ? Or that Cortez didn't overthrew the Montezuma by effectively provoking a revolution against the Aztecs among other native tribes ?soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-36062665824947477132008-10-24T15:40:00.000-05:002008-10-24T15:40:00.000-05:00hello again...my new blog is now on and I'm lookin...hello again...my new blog is now on and I'm looking forward to seeing you in the story. Nothing like you have ever seen in blogger, I hope...<BR/>What do you think??https://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-71381108034176319942008-10-24T13:55:00.000-05:002008-10-24T13:55:00.000-05:00FJ: Marx smashed Malthus long ago.You mean he offe...<I>FJ: Marx smashed Malthus long ago.</I><BR/><BR/>You mean he offered a critique of Malthus... and not a very good one.<BR/><BR/>Let's look at some of Marx's claims...<BR/><BR/><I>But the conservative interests, which Malthus served, prevented him from seeing that an unlimited prolongation of the working-day, combined with an extraordinary development of machinery, and the exploitation of women and children, must inevitably have made a great portion of the working-class “supernumerary,” particularly whenever the war should have ceased, and the monopoly of England in the markets of the world should have come to an end. </I><BR/><BR/>Does anyone on earth really believe what Marx claims will happen here? That people will "run out of work that needs to be done" and thereby become "supernumerary"? Man's desires for goods, luxeries, leisure, etc. is INFINITE. It's like "Maslow's Need Hierarchy". As soon as you satisfy one need, your inventing a new, higher, one to satsify next.<BR/><BR/><I>One cannot fail to recognise that both Malthus’s Principles and the two other works mentioned, which were intended to amplify certain aspects of the Principles, were largely inspired by envy at the success of Ricardo’s book and were an attempt by Malthus to regain the leading position which he had attained by skilful plagiarism before Ricardo’s book appeared.</I><BR/><BR/>The first refuge of a scoundrel is to impugn your opposition's "motives". I'm glad there's a Senate Rule that prevents any member to "impugn the motives of the President of the US" on the Senate floor. THAT is politics, pure and simple.<BR/><BR/><I>Further, Malthus’s discovery—of which he is very proud and which he claims he was the first to make—namely, that value is equal to the quantity of labour embodied in a commodity plus a quantity of labour which represents the profit; [this discovery] seems likewise to be quite simply a combination of two sentences from Smith. (Malthus never escapes plagiarism.)</I><BR/><BR/>Plagiarism? He's simply restating one of those so-called phoney "natural laws" he learned from Smith. Again, this is nothing but a baseless attack on Malthus, impugning his motives. I could just as easily point to Marx's Theory of Surplus Value and claim that HE stole it from Smith (which he did). I wouldn't attack Marx's "character" for appropriating Smith's material. Besides, Malthus was much more a contemporary of Smith. WoN came out in 1776 and Malthus' Pronciples were published 22 years later. This almost sounds like a p*ssing contest between Newton and Leibniz over who invented calculus.<BR/><BR/><I>Utter baseness is a distinctive trait of Malthus—a baseness which can only he indulged in by a parson who sees human suffering as the punishment for sin and who, in any ease, needs a “vale of tears on earth”, but who, at the same time, in view of the living he draws and aided by the dogma of predestination, finds it altogether advantageous to “sweeten” their sojourn in the vale of tears for the ruling classes. The “baseness” of this mind is also evident in his scientific work. Firstly in his shameless and mechanical plagiarism. Secondly in the cautious, not radical, conclusions which he draws from scientific premises.</I><BR/><BR/>All this because Malthus correctly concluded that..."Among plants and animals its effects are waste of seed, sickness, and premature death. Among mankind, misery and vice. The former, misery, is an absolutely necessary consequence of it. Vice is a highly probable consequence, and we therefore see it abundantly prevail, but it ought not, perhaps, to be called an absolutely necessary consequence. The ordeal of virtue is to resist all temptation to evil."<BR/><BR/>This is a very standard interpretation of ancient philosophy. The competition for the planet's resources either makes us miserable OR we commit acts of vice (like rob out neighbors and enslave and exploit them to our benefit.) This is something I see as non-controversial... as Marx's own explanation of "<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_accumulation_of_capital" REL="nofollow">primitive capital accumulation</A>" would attest. Marx would have us believe that VIRTUE is the rule and VICE the exception... which his "moral" philosophy (Marxism) utterly fails to demonstrate.<BR/><BR/><I>I'm amused that Darwin, at whom I've been taking another look, should say that he also applies the ‘Malthusian’ theory to plants and animals, as though in Mr Malthus’s case the whole thing didn’t lie in its not being applied to plants and animals, but only — with its geometric progression — to humans as against plants and animals. </I><BR/><BR/>Utterly false, here's the quote "Among plants and animals its effects are waste of seed, sickness, and premature death. Among mankind, misery and vice." Plants and animals cannot experience the burdens as "misery or vice" as they do not possess "human consciousness". Marx is talking out of his ass. Malthus clearly expected that his laws of population be applied to ALL life forms. Re-read the whole paragraph I quoted on 10/23 at 15:54.<BR/><BR/><I>Marx reviled Malthus as a “miserable parson” guilty of spreading a “vile and infamous doctrine, this repulsive blasphemy against man and nature.”</I><BR/><BR/>Marx was obviously a MORAL philosopher who couldn't handle the idea of natural laws and limits. Nietzsche was a "materialist" as well, but arrived at precisely the same conclusions Malthus stated. The world is a bellum omni contra omnes. Marx thought we should all be one big happy "herd". Like a herd never runs out of reasources during a draught or famine causing a catastrophic population correction? Marx is an obvious LOON!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-68632981447513098132008-10-24T10:06:00.000-05:002008-10-24T10:06:00.000-05:00Ah, so you've actually READ some S. American histo...Ah, so you've actually READ some S. American history, then you know all about the Incan "mita" system that was so "egregiously" exploited by the European conquerors in places like Bolivia...<BR/><BR/><I>Mita system was one of the best invention of Inca government. Enormous construction of highways and structures were possible because of their Mita system. In this system all the people worked for government for a certain period. This labor was free to government. <B>During Inca period people were needed to work only 65 days to provide food for his family</B> (allowing the government to use you as a slave for the remaining 300). So they had ample time afterwards. When someone's turn came (actually Mita means turn) he joined Mita. It was like pubic service system of modern times. Government took care of the family who was absent in the while working in Mita. In Mita people worked in building highways, construction of Emperor and nobles house, monuments, bridges, temple fields, Emperor fields <B>and also in mines</B>.<BR/><BR/>The System.. <BR/><BR/><B>Once a person turned into fifteen, it became obligatory to participate in the Mita. It remain mandatory for a person until he became fifty.</B> But Inca government always wisely calculated the amount of time one could share in Mita. Overseers were responsible to make sure that a person after fulfilling his duty in Mita still had enough time to for his own land and family. <BR/><BR/>Lands were categorized... <BR/><BR/>During Inca period people were mostly depended on cultivation of their land. All the filed of the Empire were divided into four category, like field of Temple, Curacas, The emperor and fields of the people. Field of the people meant fields that belonged to sick, widows, old persons, wives of the soldiers and that of his own land. <BR/><BR/>At the beginning of the plowing time people started to work first at the fields of widows, of sick people and of wives of the soldiers <B>under the direction of the village overseers</B>. Then they worked on their own field. Next they worked on the Temples fields and Curaca's field and finally they have to work on Emperor's filed. <B>While they worked on the Emperor's field they usually wore their best dress and men and women chanted songs in praise of the Inca.</B><BR/><BR/>This fine structures were the produce of Mita system<BR/><BR/>Soldiers benefited.. <BR/><BR/>When people were engaged in war, their fields were cultivated by Mita people. So this way soldier went to the wars knowing that their fields would be taken care of and their family would be well fed and clothed. So Inca soldiers could concentrate on what they were doing and with enhanced loyalty. <BR/><BR/>Mita during Spanish rule <BR/><BR/>Colonial administrators instituted the Mita system in 1605, <B>requiring indigenous men to perform two to four months of forced labor in the mines or factories owned by Spanish colonials</B> (instead of the 300 days mandatory labor required under the Inca). Thus the Incas' Mita system of forced labor for the common good was misused by the Spanish for mining gold and silver for the Crown. When people were engaged in Mita they were baptized, ultimately Mita system became slavery under the guise of educating and converting the local people to Catholicism (LOL! Like they weren't the Inca's slaves?).<BR/><BR/>Working in mines <BR/><BR/>During Inca period people had to work four months in mines, then they returned home (what was 2-4 now becomes 4). During Spanish regimes number of months required to work in mines remained same, but they had to go through other conditions of work, which made it impossible for them to come back home. While they worked in the mines they had to spend money on buying foods and paying taxes. Earning was so low that they were always in debt. Now the rule was that a miner could not leave the mine until he paid his debts. If a man died then his children had to work in mines to pay the debts, so eventually they were in a circle, and rarely came back home.</I>(just like the children born into the mita system when <I>they</I> turned 15....)<BR/><BR/>But then, I'm sure that the authors YOU read aren't biased in ANY way towards the indigenous people... I mean, why would <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigoberta_Manchu" REL="nofollow">Rigoberta Menchu</A> lie? Or better yet, why wouldn't she explain what life was like for the indigenous people BEFORE the Europeans came and so "ruthlesslessly" exploited them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-40228314043611957662008-10-23T23:42:00.000-05:002008-10-23T23:42:00.000-05:00Sonia: I agree a day of reckoning is coming for Ch...Sonia: I agree a day of reckoning is coming for Chavez. The idea of the gradual 21st century socialism approach doesn't work. He has to expropriate the oligarchy or perish.<BR/><BR/>The electric grid is being fixed. half of his budget, goes for social services.<BR/><BR/>When the US provides tanks to Colombia, they are not to fight FARC.<BR/><BR/>FJ: Marx smashed Malthus long ago. <I>Some representative comments by Marx about Malthus:<BR/>All honour to Malthus that he lays stress on the lengthening of the hours of labour, a fact to which he elsewhere in his pamphlet draws attention, while Ricardo and others, in face of the most notorious facts, make invariability in the length of the working-day the groundwork of all their investigations. But the conservative interests, which Malthus served, prevented him from seeing that an unlimited prolongation of the working-day, combined with an extraordinary development of machinery, and the exploitation of women and children, must inevitably have made a great portion of the working-class “supernumerary,” particularly whenever the war should have ceased, and the monopoly of England in the markets of the world should have come to an end. It was, of course, far more convenient, and much more in conformity with the interests of the ruling classes, whom Malthus adored like a true priest, to explain this “over-population” by the eternal laws of Nature, rather than by the historical laws of capitalist production. (Capital, Vol. 1, Ch. 17.4.a, n7)<BR/>One cannot fail to recognise that both Malthus’s Principles and the two other works mentioned, which were intended to amplify certain aspects of the Principles, were largely inspired by envy at the success of Ricardo’s book and were an attempt by Malthus to regain the leading position which he had attained by skilful plagiarism before Ricardo’s book appeared. [...] Further, Malthus’s discovery—of which he is very proud and which he claims he was the first to make—namely, that value is equal to the quantity of labour embodied in a commodity plus a quantity of labour which represents the profit; [this discovery] seems likewise to be quite simply a combination of two sentences from Smith. (Malthus never escapes plagiarism.) (Theories of Surplus Value, Ch. 19)<BR/>Utter baseness is a distinctive trait of Malthus—a baseness which can only he indulged in by a parson who sees human suffering as the punishment for sin and who, in any ease, needs a “vale of tears on earth”, but who, at the same time, in view of the living he draws and aided by the dogma of predestination, finds it altogether advantageous to “sweeten” their sojourn in the vale of tears for the ruling classes. The “baseness” of this mind is also evident in his scientific work. Firstly in his shameless and mechanical plagiarism. Secondly in the cautious, not radical, conclusions which he draws from scientific premises. (Theories of Surplus Value, Ch. 9)<BR/>And, regarding Malthus' influence upon Darwin, Mar wrote this:<BR/>I'm amused that Darwin, at whom I've been taking another look, should say that he also applies the ‘Malthusian’ theory to plants and animals, as though in Mr Malthus’s case the whole thing didn’t lie in its not being applied to plants and animals, but only — with its geometric progression — to humans as against plants and animals. It is remarkable how Darwin rediscovers, among the beasts and plants, the society of England with its division of labour, competition, opening up of new markets, ‘inventions’ and Malthusian ‘struggle for existence’. It is Hobbes’ bellum omnium contra omnes and is reminiscent of Hegel’s Phenomenology, in which civil society figures as an ‘intellectual animal kingdom’, whereas, in Darwin, the animal kingdom figures as civil society. (Letter to Engels, June 18, 1862)<BR/>Here's a bit from The Encyclopedia Britannica that sums things up nicely.<BR/>While both Karl Marx and Malthus accepted many of the views of the classical economists, Marx was harshly and implacably critical of Malthus and his ideas. The vehemence of the assault was remarkable. Marx reviled Malthus as a “miserable parson” guilty of spreading a “vile and infamous doctrine, this repulsive blasphemy against man and nature.”</I><BR/><BR/>Bolivia has established borders, just like England, Israel or Denmark.<BR/><BR/>There is no such thing as national liberation in a world of capitalism and global capital. The only purpose to dividing Bolivia is to create racial pogroms and destroy Morales's government. I agree with Chavez's approach: Use the laws, people in the streets and the military to smash seperatist movements.<BR/><BR/>Larry: I agree with you about Chavez and Morales. The revolution is from below. Morales is particularly cautious. I critically support MAS, until an alternative is formed from within.<BR/><BR/>Ducky: LOL<BR/><BR/>Look up the new constitution in Bolivia.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-47064047578757003312008-10-23T22:52:00.000-05:002008-10-23T22:52:00.000-05:00I have been reading South American history, not to...I have been reading South American history, not to mention archeology and anthropology for more than 40 years FJ. Evidently you haven't. I suggest you start with Eduardo Galeano's OPEN VEINS OF LATIN AMERICA. Apocalypto is a shitty movie made by a Catholic apologist and anti-Semite.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-17277213294050810572008-10-23T21:08:00.000-05:002008-10-23T21:08:00.000-05:00The European invaders and their offspring the olig...<I>The European invaders and their offspring the oligarchs stole the land and resources from the people of Bolivia. These same people are now taking it back.</I><BR/><BR/>No they're NOT. LOL!<BR/><BR/>Like the Aymara and their Incan allies of the Andean highlands hadn't been exploiting the nomadic aboriginals on the eastern plains and lowlands of Bolivia where all the gas is now being discovered for milennia under the Incan mita system (which the conquistadors simply took over AFTER the Spanish conquest)... <BR/><BR/>I'm so glad you're for returning ALL THAT property to its' original owners (NOT the Aymara), who happen to live in the autonomous states instead of allowing those resources to be expropriated to the conquering ex-Tiwanaku's in La Paz.<BR/><BR/>So you can play the North American class warfare white-guilt game all you like, but Morales and his MAS supporter's "claims" to the energy resources contained in the eastern lowlands are NON-EXISTENT.<BR/><BR/>So best go take a South American history course Gambone/baloney. Or better yet, go see "<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkDm5g-Le7w" REL="nofollow">Apocalypto</A>". The Conquistadors did the Aztec/ Incan/ Mayan/etc. aboriginal a FAVOR by conquering them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-5228828450086678542008-10-23T18:53:00.000-05:002008-10-23T18:53:00.000-05:00"a 100,000-strong armed trade union militia."This ..."a 100,000-strong armed trade union militia."<BR/><BR/>This sounds like something worthwhile reviving, not just in Bolivia either, but Venezuela as well. My contention has always been, that contrary to US propaganda, Morales and Chavez are actually moderates and they need to be pushed to action, or pushed to one side. But it should come as no surprise that these leaders are demonized as sinister radicals, many of these same propagandists moronically refer to Obama as a radical socialist.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-44397731365019859132008-10-23T18:41:00.000-05:002008-10-23T18:41:00.000-05:00I just love when a right-whiner starts howling abo...I just love when a right-whiner starts howling about "respect for property." Respect for property would be to return the property to the people from whom it was stolen. The European invaders and their offspring the oligarchs stole the land and resources from the people of Bolivia. These same people are now taking it back. Justice is being served and the right of property is thus being respected. Capitalism was based upon an original expropriation and furthered and maintained by the state. All talk of the "sacredness of property" and "free markets" is just tall tales to fool the rubes like FJ.Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-53134503025278392142008-10-23T15:54:00.000-05:002008-10-23T15:54:00.000-05:00Thomas Malthus, "Essay on the Principle of Populat...Thomas Malthus, "Essay on the Principle of Population," 1798.<BR/><BR/><I>Population, when unchecked, increases in a geometrical ratio. Subsistence increases only in an arithmetical ratio. A slight acquaintance with numbers will shew the immensity of the first power in comparison of the second. <BR/><BR/>By that law of our nature which makes food necessary to the life of man, the effects of these two unequal powers must be kept equal. <BR/><BR/>This implies a strong and constantly operating check on population from the difficulty of subsistence. This difficulty must fall some where and must necessarily be severely felt by a large portion of mankind. <BR/><BR/>Through the animal and vegetable kingdoms, nature has scattered the seeds of life abroad with the most profuse and liberal hand. She has been comparatively sparing in the room and the nourishment necessary to rear them. The germs of existence contained in this spot of earth, with ample food, and ample room to expand in, would fill millions of worlds in the course of a few thousand years. Necessity, that imperious all pervading law of nature, restrains them within the prescribed bounds. The race of plants, and the race of animals shrink under this great restrictive law. And the race of man cannot, by any efforts of reason, escape from it. Among plants and animals its effects are waste of seed, sickness, and premature death. <B>Among mankind, misery and vice. The former, misery, is an absolutely necessary consequence of it.</B> Vice is a highly probable consequence, and we therefore see it abundantly prevail, but it ought not, perhaps, to be called an absolutely necessary consequence. The ordeal of virtue is to resist all temptation to evil. <BR/><BR/>This natural inequality of the two powers of population and of production in the earth and that great law of our nature which must constantly keep their effects equal form the great difficulty that to me appears insurmountable in the way to the perfectibility of society. . . .> And it appears, therefore, to be decisive against the possible existence of a society, all the members of which should live in ease, happiness, and comparative leisure; and feel no anxiety about providing the means of subsistence for themselves and families. <BR/><BR/>Consequently, if the premises are just, the argument is conclusive against the perfectibility of the mass of mankind. <BR/><BR/>I have thus sketched the general outline of the argument, but I will examine it more particularly, and I think it will be found that experience, the true source and foundation of all knowledge, invariably confirms its <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh0woT7NkKI" REL="nofollow">truth</A>. </I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-91177667949658862302008-10-23T15:43:00.000-05:002008-10-23T15:43:00.000-05:00Ducky,, If 40% of your population is fucking hungr...Ducky,<BR/><BR/><I>, If 40% of your population is fucking hungry you fucking feed them.</I> <BR/><BR/>... or you buy Russian tanks and other weapons. They will be very useful to defend Chavez's presidential palace from the hungry mob of his former supporters...<BR/><BR/>The day of reckoning is coming....soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-61611223420832956592008-10-23T14:13:00.000-05:002008-10-23T14:13:00.000-05:00That's what I like about mr. ducky. He knows the ...That's what I like about mr. ducky. He knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.<BR/><BR/><I>I thank G_d, he stole the handle and the train it won't stop going, no way to slow down...</I><BR/><BR/>Best return to page 1, <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdz_G1VGJ4c" REL="nofollow">Gideon</A>. You've still too many men for the job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-28548063177399701352008-10-23T12:51:00.000-05:002008-10-23T12:51:00.000-05:00If 40% of your population is fucking hungry you fu...If 40% of your population is fucking hungry you fucking feed them.<BR/><BR/> End of story. You stop pissing and moaning about some damn oil and gas executives who want to siphon off the natural wealth.<BR/><BR/> Those guys, you zip strip their hands, get the cameras set up, kneel them down and give the poor baseball bats to start opening heads like melons.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-90550263804083187832008-10-23T11:50:00.000-05:002008-10-23T11:50:00.000-05:00That isn't possible, sonia.“Beggars mounted, run t...That isn't possible, sonia.<BR/><BR/><I>“Beggars mounted, run their Horse to death.”</I>-- Shakespeare, Henry VI, Part 3,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-34283083003394174672008-10-23T10:28:00.000-05:002008-10-23T10:28:00.000-05:00Morales should be careful not to repeat Chavez's d...Morales should be careful not to repeat <A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081023/wl_nm/us_venezuela_electricity" REL="nofollow">Chavez's disastrous mistakes</A>.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-3021942761795968592008-10-23T08:21:00.000-05:002008-10-23T08:21:00.000-05:00Government needs to invest in "productive" infrast...Government needs to invest in "productive" infrastructure, not making "welfare payments".<BR/><BR/>Adam Smith, "Wealth of Nations"<BR/><BR/><I>THERE is one sort of labour which adds to the value of the subject upon which it is bestowed: there is another which has no such effect. The former, as it produces a value, may be called productive; the latter, unproductive labour. Thus the labour of a manufacturer adds, generally, to the value of the materials which he works upon, that of his own maintenance, and of his master's profit. The labour of a menial servant, on the contrary, adds to the value of nothing. Though the manufacturer has his wages advanced to him by his master, he, in reality, costs him no expense, the value of those wages being generally restored, together with a profit, in the improved value of the subject upon which his labour is bestowed. But the maintenance of a menial servant never is restored. A man grows rich by employing a multitude of manufacturers: he grows poor by maintaining a multitude of menial servants. The labour of the latter, however, has its value, and deserves its reward as well as that of the former. But the labour of the manufacturer fixes and realizes itself in some particular subject or vendible commodity, which lasts for some time at least after that labour is past. It is, as it were, a certain quantity of labour stocked and stored up to be employed, if necessary, upon some other occasion. That subject, or what is the same thing, the price of that subject, can afterwards, if necessary, put into motion a quantity of labour equal to that which had originally produced it. The labour of the menial servant, on the contrary, does not fix or realize itself in any particular subject or vendible commodity. His services generally perish in the very instant of their performance, and seldom leave any trace or value behind them for which an equal quantity of service could afterwards be procured.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-77013752465889563802008-10-23T08:12:00.000-05:002008-10-23T08:12:00.000-05:00...just like what Obama wants to do in the USA......just like what Obama wants to do in the USA...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-53360382747215610552008-10-23T08:11:00.000-05:002008-10-23T08:11:00.000-05:0090% No shower or bathtub.64% No electricity59% No ...<I>90% No shower or bathtub.<BR/>64% No electricity<BR/>59% No running water.<BR/>.05% Roads paved.</I><BR/><BR/>And why is that? Every time a bank loans someone the money to build a power plant or water system, the government confiscates it. Then nobody loans them any more money...<BR/><BR/>And every time a private enterprise tries to charge people the "market rate" for the electricity or water they use, the government steps in and forces the company to sell it for half of the cost it takes to produce it.<BR/><BR/>Like I said previously, until the people learn to respect private property, the Bolivian situation will continue to be a mess. And a state appropriation of energy revenues is NOT going to help the situation, since the state will NEVER invest the revenues in productive infrastructure... they'll waste it on food and social/medical services for meeting the ever increasing demands of an already socially oversupplied indigenous flea/parasite population.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-70059348474629975182008-10-23T00:38:00.000-05:002008-10-23T00:38:00.000-05:00Celticfire: I agree.Troutsky: I see your point. I...Celticfire: I agree.<BR/><BR/>Troutsky: I see your point. I don't think what you are saying applies. He is moving so slow, that the fascists, are arming, and run around with immunity, while the progressive forces, get no protection. Legal demos are attacked all the time.<BR/><BR/>At this time MAS should be supported, since that is the party of the working class, unless it splits.<BR/><BR/>This is a situation where the rank and file, are much more radical than their government.<BR/><BR/>Chavez wouldn't put up with what Morales does.<BR/><BR/>FJ: The richest 10% receive 35% of the income.<BR/>87% of land owned by .07%<BR/>90% No shower or bathtub.<BR/>64% No electricity<BR/>59% No running water.<BR/>.05% Roads paved.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-24617627887169416372008-10-22T18:34:00.000-05:002008-10-22T18:34:00.000-05:00I beginning to think you're right on this Renegade...I beginning to think you're right on this Renegade Eye. Things should be moving along a lot more faster then they are, and it's giving the reactionary/fascist forces a lot of time to devise a coup.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully we will see some more revolutionary developments soon.celticfirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14692685782905110663noreply@blogger.com