tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post117005778360721611..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Lebanon: Sectarianism, Capitalist Greed, and Foreign MeddlingFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-27631570078681244752007-02-16T10:10:00.000-06:002007-02-16T10:10:00.000-06:00The problem with Lebanon is the same in every fake...The problem with Lebanon is the same in every fake nation worldwide. As much as they try, Lebanon won't be a nation. First of all because it was traced with a ruler. Second of all because it's based on adherence to freacking religious sects (not even religions per se!). Just the samllest of comparisons, during the last war, when faced with danger, all the non shiite didn't as much as bother with the massacre of their fellow co-nationals. While in Syria, when we were faced with danger, the same summer, everybody forgot their problems and united with our government in face of US menace.<BR/>But I won't speak more, it's way too long. I just see Lebanon, and most of the ex-colonies from the Middle East and Africa as fake nations, thus civil war is the actual normal state of existence in such countries.Puppeteerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05507318882182281465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170415978415561582007-02-02T05:32:00.000-06:002007-02-02T05:32:00.000-06:00thank you comrade Troutsky !of course, we non-west...thank you comrade Troutsky !<BR/><BR/>of course, we non-westerns should be blessed to have internet infrastructures if we go by someone else's logic ;)MarxistFromLebanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02742943269564177293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170407063041442642007-02-02T03:04:00.000-06:002007-02-02T03:04:00.000-06:00Mike b says- By 2100, nobody will be living in Leb...Mike b says- <I>By 2100, nobody will be living in Lebanon--it'll be too hot. Water will be very scarce</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>beatroot says-<BR/><I>Don’t try and give us that environmentalist crap. The only reason for water to be scarce is of the place is under developed. Lebanon’s problems are that they lack economic development. If they had the level of western development then the water problem would not be so significant.</I><BR/><BR/>hmmm, it is looking more like western development is the reason for the rise in temperature.Graemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04230080850680753260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170391794038092202007-02-01T22:49:00.000-06:002007-02-01T22:49:00.000-06:00When MFL talks about "intervention" he doesn't onl...When MFL talks about "intervention" he doesn't only refer to invasion or direct miltary action.Intervention which can unravel civil society and destroy political possibilities comes in many forms.If only history were as simple as Sonia world.troutskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16020298501632120830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170323555068617962007-02-01T03:52:00.000-06:002007-02-01T03:52:00.000-06:00oh yeah beatroot, why do you refer to yourself as ...oh yeah beatroot, why do you refer to yourself as comrade? :PMarxistFromLebanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02742943269564177293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170323510204909642007-02-01T03:51:00.000-06:002007-02-01T03:51:00.000-06:00Sonia, you seriously live in a different world and...Sonia, you seriously live in a different world and wouldn't mind seeing people slaughtered, personally you remind me of Hitler the way you issue judgements like that. And seriously go study history rather invent it ala CNNish way (you got my pity)<BR/><BR/>Lebanon may suffer from water shortage later, but till now it is most secure compared to other regional locations. If anything it is due to the emissions of the transnational corporation<BR/><BR/>Now to our humble beatroot, Marxism is not dead because it didn't start yet. Now I admit, you do not release lunatic judgements like our crazy Sonia, but, for starters, you got two roads:<BR/><BR/>1) either you go and join the neo-cons with their gradual policy or <BR/>2) you take a stand<BR/><BR/>I stressed on the Manifesto because again a lot of ideas are still existent, and the struggle is on-going. If you still think everything is reduced to nationalism, you are wrong, specially in Lebanon (unless you want to give me a lesson or two on that). Nationalism in Lebanon's sectarian infrastructure is a form of nationalism to certain sects. <BR/><BR/>Second, a worker in Seatle was raising a banner (probably SOnia will accuse him of terrorism) that states: "WTO, if it does not work fo the working families, it simply does not work". Again, the arena is at the workers, despite race gender, nationality, religion and color. And if you want to also tell me that capital stockpiling is not true then again you are wrong. <BR/><BR/>REligious Fanaticism is substituting Secular nationalism it is true. Again the fault goes to the West shoving a democracy model while its elites were power corrupt and in alliance with them (not that I oppose democracy, but not their way in a sense the Proletariat elect their own oppressors). So when class inequality increase, again a substitute would rise (refering to other arab nations). Moreover, just as you noticed the term class, so go read the Manifesto again!<BR/><BR/>MFLMarxistFromLebanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02742943269564177293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170281104478428572007-01-31T16:05:00.000-06:002007-01-31T16:05:00.000-06:00Comrade Beatroot writes (as he can’t be bothered t...<B>Comrade Beatroot</B> writes (as he can’t be bothered to sign in on the decrepit old blogger)<BR/><BR/>Mike B<BR/><I> By 2100, nobody will be living in Lebanon--it'll be too hot. Water will be very scarce.</I><BR/><BR/>Don’t try and give us that environmentalist crap. The only reason for water to be scarce is of the place is under developed. Lebanon’s problems are that they lack economic development. If they had the level of western development then the water problem would not be so significant. <BR/><BR/>And MFL – religious fanaticism has not risen just because of foreign intervention. In the past when countries got invaded the response was a national(ist) uprising. But nationalism – a secular political response – has now become a bust flush with the decline of secularist political solutions. So the only alternative is religious…. <BR/><BR/>And as regards communist alternatives…really…get real…it’s over comrade…Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170279506248074832007-01-31T15:38:00.000-06:002007-01-31T15:38:00.000-06:00By 2100, nobody will be living in Lebanon--it'll b...By 2100, nobody will be living in Lebanon--it'll be too hot. Water will be very scarce. Lots of border crossing going to be happening and that means what? More stupid nationalistic wars with religious flavourings in the right places.Mike Ballardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05410520975856239745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170200885435079222007-01-30T17:48:00.000-06:002007-01-30T17:48:00.000-06:00MFL,Religious fanaticism rose as a result of forei...MFL,<BR/><BR/><I>Religious fanaticism rose as a result of foreign intervention again.</I>, <BR/><BR/>Brilliant. You mean that each time a foreign power (whether it's Israel, or Syria, or USA) intervenes in Lebanon, religious fervor increases and support for Communist secularism declines ?<BR/><BR/>That would be a pretty easy way of keeping Communism unpopular. Just one thing: why didn't this work in Russia in 1917-21. There were plenty of foreign intervention there, but somehow, instead of turning towards the Orthodox Church, Russians become Communists. And secular.soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170198473818591632007-01-30T17:07:00.000-06:002007-01-30T17:07:00.000-06:00Maryam Namazie has on her website essays on Marxis...Maryam Namazie has on her website essays on Marxism and Humanism. She calls herself Marxist-Humanist.<BR/><BR/>One of Trotsky's secretaries was the founder of the Marxist Humanist movement.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170195270084465232007-01-30T16:14:00.000-06:002007-01-30T16:14:00.000-06:00Hezbollah are regarded by the US administration as...Hezbollah are regarded by the US administration as terrorists, but in Lebanon they are not. They are a party, and I know a lot of people who are pro-Hezbollah, with almost 50-70% of Christians(unknown statistics on it yet) with them for now. THe President ages ago been with them, but he lacks any authority in Lebanon. The Speaker of Parliament is with them, he got more authority.MarxistFromLebanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02742943269564177293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170189797181364822007-01-30T14:43:00.000-06:002007-01-30T14:43:00.000-06:00MFL, what is hezbollah's popularity among the mass...MFL, what is hezbollah's popularity among the masses? everything I've read and heard makes it sound like they are ultra popular, especially considering that the president of Lebanon seems to be aligning himself with them more and more...LeftyHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05870433011584211043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170116017099251392007-01-29T18:13:00.000-06:002007-01-29T18:13:00.000-06:00Beatroot,It can also be vice versa as Ze'ev wrote ...Beatroot,<BR/><BR/>It can also be vice versa as Ze'ev wrote that already there were 6 attempts. Religious fanaticism rose as a result of foreign intervention again. <BR/><BR/>If you want to forget the Manifesto go ahead, or I recommend that you re-read it again, obviously you missed couple of points.<BR/>MFLMarxistFromLebanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02742943269564177293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1170113600202752852007-01-29T17:33:00.000-06:002007-01-29T17:33:00.000-06:00Way too long a post for me to bother to read, sorr...Way too long a post for me to bother to read, sorry.<BR/><BR/>Can I just say that of course the Israel attack played right into Hezbollah’s plans. That is exactly what they wanted them to do. It’s a no brainer.<BR/><BR/>But what this shows is that when a situation demands a political response in the middle east (and elsewhere) these days, it gets a religious response. And that’s because politics has declined as a perceived way of achieving social change. <BR/><BR/>So what does that mean about the way forward? <BR/><BR/>It means that we have to try and remind people that humans are the subject <I>and</I> object of history. <BR/><BR/>It really is on that level. <BR/><BR/>Before politics, and not religion, can be revived as a means of social change ‘the left’ is pissing in the wind. We have to create a humanist project first, revive politics, and then maybe, the left will have a chance. <BR/><BR/>So forget the communist manifesto…it is time to go back to basics.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.com