tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post116690734556583100..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: US Marines charged in Haditha massacre of Iraqi civiliansFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1167805352543698432007-01-03T00:22:00.000-06:002007-01-03T00:22:00.000-06:00These soldiers should, after a fair and balanced t...These soldiers should, after a fair and balanced trial, face the stiffest penalties allowed if they are guilty. There is no excuse for committing the same act against people your supposed to be saving them from. <BR/><BR/>However, blaming the abhorrent actions of those men on capitalism is like blaming a mudslide in California on the invention of the assembly line. <BR/><BR/>If you seriously believe that the US is the only nation with race/class issues, then you're ignoring quite a lot. Most of the fighting in the world is due to ethnic/racial differences. The US has long had universal suffrage. Recently, the government is busy falling all over itself to become "politically correct" passing equal rights programs to appease those who think that everyone BUT white males should get an advantage. Look beyond America though. There are genocides happening in Africa, the Middle East, Russia, Southeast Asia that are based on ethnicity, race or religion. You want some Muslims being wronged? France floated a law that orders Muslims to take off their head coverings while in school. That violates at least two basic laws of Islam. Yet in America you cannot ask someone who's name translates to "Death to the American Satan" a couple of extra questions in an airport for fear of pissing somebody off.<BR/><BR/>As for removing the class separation that Capitalism creates, India has long accepted the caste system as the way things should be. Of course now, the west is breaking that system with an influx of new money and people are bitching because western culture "is ruining India's heritage". Western civilization is what those who don't have it hate because it's what they want.<BR/><BR/>Don't misunderstand, I share the opinion that America has got issues. Any nation with a population larger than a few million is going to. I also don't have any love for Bush II, his administration, it's foreign policy, or what has become of the political process in this country. I do think;however, that blaming the US for all the world's ills is a little shortsighted and too simple to be true.<BR/><BR/>BTW, the statement "From the names given, there is only one minority in the bunch of the accused." is a racist statement in itself. So thanks for perpetuating that. There's no way to know from a list of names what some one's race or heritage is. I've known people from many different skin tones with a last name that starts with a MC or ends in a dez. Think they were all Irish or Hispanic?<BR/><BR/>Oh and for the Marx quote, it sounds very deep, but it's a circular and redundant statement. As soon as you begin the search for a solution the formation of the solution has started. It's tantamount to saying reality is real.<BR/><BR/>'Course, that's only one way to look at it.Brik Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17183606750316799083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1167519400115846302006-12-30T16:56:00.000-06:002006-12-30T16:56:00.000-06:00Renegade,Please clearify the last comment to me. Y...Renegade,<BR/>Please clearify the last comment to me. You can put it at my site if you wish.<BR/><BR/>Mike b: yes I remember the quote now thanks.Nicholashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10200754644557621949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1167508574433505352006-12-30T13:56:00.000-06:002006-12-30T13:56:00.000-06:00TOKENS FOR HADITHAI will call to you when the shre...TOKENS FOR HADITHA<BR/><BR/>I will call to you when the shredded spirits<BR/>On this day’s light gaze back at slaughter<BR/>And thunder their liquid wheels to the moon.<BR/>And I will ask you to kill yet again and again.<BR/>I will call to you from the arid cusp of charity,<BR/>And when the slaughtered fortitude cries out,<BR/>Howls to the moon sipping of the sun’s blood,<BR/>You shall collect tokens on the streets of Haditha.<BR/><BR/>SILENCE!<BR/><BR/>Do not speak weary soldier!<BR/>Your ears are not yours! Your mouth no more!<BR/>Your eyes are not your eyes!<BR/>Your feet are not your feet<BR/>They each belong to me!<BR/>Traded for your sweat and tears,<BR/>Bartered for your flesh and bone,<BR/>Given me by men of bold vision!<BR/><BR/>SILENCE!<BR/><BR/>I will call to you when the tattered spirits<BR/>Upon the diminishing light stare back at murder<BR/>And thunder their liquid wheels to the moon.Mark Prime (tpm/Confession Zero)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04683863540465969835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1167502217741330992006-12-30T12:10:00.000-06:002006-12-30T12:10:00.000-06:00Nicholas: You are technically correct, but not pra...Nicholas: You are technically correct, but not practically correct.<BR/><BR/>There are many incidents like the above, that will be unreported. Soldiers will come home from the war, with great mental disturbances as depression, alcoholism etc. That will present another contradiction in the symptom, it being unable and unwilling to care for its own soldiers.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1167422894540633032006-12-29T14:08:00.000-06:002006-12-29T14:08:00.000-06:00Everybody should remember that Saddam Hussein's cr...Everybody should remember that Saddam Hussein's crimes were aided, abetted, and covered up by US imperialism and its junior partners. The very fact of the Bath Party's power is part of the anti-communist cold war imperialist policy. Saddam's first crimes of murder were against Communists, leftists, and trade unionists. By disarming the working class the path was opened for crimes against others, such as the criminal war with Iran, again supported by the US. No one should act as if the US is some innocent and benevolent force, coming in to clean up the mess. They made the mess!Nicholashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10200754644557621949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1167407303164827982006-12-29T09:48:00.000-06:002006-12-29T09:48:00.000-06:00Answer to anonymous: This blog has been critical o...Answer to anonymous: This blog has been critical of Sadaams cruelty, Afghan and Iranian injustice, if you check it out you will see there are no fans of religious or totalitarian intolerance here.Pointing out US crimes is an effort to combat the destructive narrative of American Exceptionalism. I don't see where right wing blogs feel a need to always balance reports of Muslim cruelty with a report about atrocities committed by US troops, though maybe yours does.troutskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16020298501632120830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1167288785603479002006-12-28T00:53:00.000-06:002006-12-28T00:53:00.000-06:00why is it when ever some annoyomous person goes of...why is it when ever some annoyomous person goes off on a crazy diatribe they add Venezuela in the list with the likes of China and the Taliban? Is our media that bad? At any rate, with all the crimes our presidents have been involved in, I don't recall seeing any trials here eitherGraemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04230080850680753260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1167283824335828672006-12-27T23:30:00.000-06:002006-12-27T23:30:00.000-06:00I'm back!http://portlandmaoist.wordpress.comI'm back!<BR/><BR/>http://portlandmaoist.wordpress.comcelticfirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14692685782905110663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1167258860672896572006-12-27T16:34:00.000-06:002006-12-27T16:34:00.000-06:00Ah yes, Leftist Holiday Spirit!Vying for victim st...Ah yes, Leftist Holiday Spirit!<BR/><BR/>Vying for victim status, blaming the US, class and race distinctions, income disparities...what joy!<BR/><BR/>How many trials were held for Sadaam prior to our intervention? Did Mullah Omar hold a counsel over the improper beheading of Afghan women by the Taliban? How many tortured, jailed, raped Persian men, women and children has the Iranian Republican guard been held accountable for? How about in Cuba, Venezuela, China (there was one trial last year because of the huge public outcry)? <BR/><BR/>Has Putin been called to account for his excesses? While it is unacceptable for atrocities to occur, WE hold they that carry out these offenses accountable. Trials are public and justice is administered, because WE won't tolerate anything else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1167243208536187582006-12-27T12:13:00.000-06:002006-12-27T12:13:00.000-06:00The only justified result of this case would be a ...The only justified result of this case would be a guilty verdict.<BR/><BR/>Happy HolidaysLeftyHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05870433011584211043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1167065902639361102006-12-25T10:58:00.000-06:002006-12-25T10:58:00.000-06:00Merry Christmas, Ren! And Happy New Year.Merry Christmas, Ren! And Happy New Year.MC Fanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04966360672502646830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1166996328359321402006-12-24T15:38:00.000-06:002006-12-24T15:38:00.000-06:00The quote is from the Preface to A CONTRIBUTION TO...The quote is from the Preface to A CONTRIBUTION TO THE CRITIQUE OF POLITICAL ECONOMY....1859 <BR/>http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/preface.htmMike Ballardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05410520975856239745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1166995212344045822006-12-24T15:20:00.000-06:002006-12-24T15:20:00.000-06:00“…they are victims as well. Sent to Iraq on the ba...“…they are victims as well. Sent to Iraq on the basis of lies, with little or no knowledge about the population they have been instructed to subjugate…” so more knowledge about Iraq would stop soldiers from killing? Speculating on the amount of education needed for a person not to kill while in the seems like a waste of time. <BR/><BR/>While the predominantly poor/rural working class military with disproportional representation by Blacks, Latinos, and Native Americans (more than their share of the population) are in many ways victims of different oppressions stemming from US capitalism, they are not all the same, and their victim status is not equal to that of their victims. From the names given, there is only one minority in the bunch of the accused. I think this is more than coincidence, but stems from America’s racial order. Many of those joining the military have been primed by years of anti-Arab, anti-Muslim propaganda in civilian life, not to mention in the military brainwashing system. The military, despite large representation by minorities, is a repository of reactionary and often white/male chauvinist attitudes, supported by American culture, media, church and state. This is what also makes these atrocities happen, not just the situation. The ICFI, which is behind the World Socialist Website, though it was unnecessary to mention this, and was satisfied with equating the victim hood of imperialist soldiers (drawn from the proletariat and petty bourgeoisie) and their colonially oppressed victims, women, children and the elderly, not equal at all!<BR/><BR/>In their choice of only mentioning that the US is threatening Iran and not the North Korean deformed workers state, the ICFI displays not a little bit of turning its back on serious internationalism. Sure, you cannot mention everything, but one should mention the important instances of US threats. <BR/><BR/>Mike: what is the source of the Marx quote, German Ideology?Nicholashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10200754644557621949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1166991906811942022006-12-24T14:25:00.000-06:002006-12-24T14:25:00.000-06:00My Lai all over again, Ren. Of course, these kind...My Lai all over again, Ren. Of course, these kinds of tragedies happen in every war and war can only be uprooted at its core: class society. <BR/><BR/>I think the US has shown this year that Super Powers can be brought down to Earth...which is of course getting hotter all the time. <BR/><BR/>"Mankind thus inevitably sets itself only such tasks as it is able to solve, since closer examination will always show that the problem itself arises only when the material conditions for its solution are already present or at least in the course of formation," said Karl Marx.<BR/><BR/>Our tasks have been set. Are we up to them?Mike Ballardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05410520975856239745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1166942702944147582006-12-24T00:45:00.000-06:002006-12-24T00:45:00.000-06:00Wanted to wish you a Merry Christmas... and while ...Wanted to wish you a Merry Christmas... and while I am personally hoping and praying for the new year to bring peace, good health and happiness to all, I sadly fear that 2007 will just be yet another year of bloodshed, carnage, and disappointment.Tinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08472987991553964064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1166912667798833352006-12-23T16:24:00.000-06:002006-12-23T16:24:00.000-06:00a very merry xmas my friend...very interesting pos...a very merry xmas my friend...very interesting post, i need to digest before making further comments?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01992276117548193938noreply@blogger.com