tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post114464733652147193..comments2023-11-05T03:12:10.925-06:00Comments on Renegade Eye: Kurdish unrest stirs again in TurkeyFrank Partisanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1144877518265405492006-04-12T16:31:00.000-05:002006-04-12T16:31:00.000-05:00Great post...thanks for sharing...that picture is ...Great post...thanks for sharing...that picture is a little unsettling to me.<BR/><BR/>--RC of strangeculture.blogspot.comRChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11340006144797496514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1144877381393814342006-04-12T16:29:00.000-05:002006-04-12T16:29:00.000-05:00Great idea to have a group picture taken so that t...Great idea to have a group picture taken so that the Turkish secret service have a way to track them down. Not very bright those PKK rebels.romanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15988548647887978919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1144844356597236242006-04-12T07:19:00.000-05:002006-04-12T07:19:00.000-05:00Mike B,Have you see Renoir's La Grande Illusion? I...Mike B,<BR/><BR/>Have you see Renoir's La Grande Illusion? It's not the only film that points out that lower classes are in fact far more nationalistic than the elites...<BR/><BR/>Sorry to destroy YOUR illusions...soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1144829243730912002006-04-12T03:07:00.000-05:002006-04-12T03:07:00.000-05:00Kill a (blank) for your ruling class today. After...Kill a (blank) for your ruling class today. After all, they own the nation. But don't say that to yourself. Just believe in your nation, your tribe, your ethnicity, your religion. You are not human beings. "You're only a pawn in their game."Mike Ballardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05410520975856239745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1144789900572575002006-04-11T16:11:00.000-05:002006-04-11T16:11:00.000-05:00Tina,Turks can be so openminded about embracing so...Tina,<BR/><BR/><I>Turks can be so openminded about embracing so many Western ideas and customs yet so closeminded to other ideas and customs</I> <BR/><BR/>Actually, I would argue that the turks are openminded about embracing ALL the Western ideas and customs, from secularism to ethnic cleansing.<BR/><BR/>The lesson they have learned from Europe is this: countries that ruthlessly expelled its ethnic minorities and are now homogenous (like Greece, Austria, Czech Republic, etc.) have far less problems than those countries who allowed minorities to survive (Spain and the Basques, Catholics in Northern Ireland, Muslims in former Yugoslavia, etc.). <BR/><BR/>There are no German terrorists in the Sudetenland, no angry Muslims in Epirus. Like Serbs under Milosevic, Turks are making a calculated decision: short term pain (denounciation from the international community) for long term gain (an ethnically homogenous state)... The Serbs failed because Milosevic was a moron, but the Turks are far more clever...soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1144732536603093232006-04-11T00:15:00.000-05:002006-04-11T00:15:00.000-05:00About Abdullah Ocalan see:http://en.wikipedia.org/...About Abdullah Ocalan see:<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OcalanFrank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1144709052397230532006-04-10T17:44:00.000-05:002006-04-10T17:44:00.000-05:00This is, of course, one of the reasons that Turkey...This is, of course, one of the reasons that Turkey opposed the Iraq war and made things very difficult for the 'coalition' to start its invasion. <BR/><BR/>Turks thought, rightly, that after the baathist regime - and most of the cilvil and security service along with it - was smashed, the country would split into ethnic lines. <BR/><BR/>The US/UK have treated Iraqis as three seperate groups and they are responding in kind. Kurds have got the best deal and its the most peaceful and prosperous part of Iraq. <BR/><BR/>But when you go to Turkey - a fantastic country, that has a western west and a very Islamic east - Kurds approach you to tell you how bad the Turks are. And the Turks do have a blind spot about this issue as much else in their history.<BR/><BR/>Just like the US, UK, Poland have about theirs. <BR/><BR/>But I do not think encouraging yet another nation to emerge (Free Kurdistan etc) on ethnic lines - like in the Balkans and what is now happening in Iraq - is really helping matters. Kurds should fight for equal rights in the countries that they are in. Not another ethnic homeland, please!beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1144696516660044712006-04-10T14:15:00.000-05:002006-04-10T14:15:00.000-05:00"Last February, in an interview published in a Swi..."Last February, in an interview published in a Swiss newspaper, I said that 'a million Armenians and thirty thousand Kurds had been killed in Turkey'; I went on to complain that it was taboo to discuss these matters in my country. (...)This was partly because I believed that what stained a country’s “honor” was not the discussion of the black spots in its history but the impossibility of any discussion at all. But it was also because I believed that in today’s Turkey the prohibition against discussing the Ottoman Armenians was a prohibition against freedom of expression, and that the two matters were inextricably linked. Comforted as I was by the interest in my predicament and by the generous gestures of support, there were also times when I felt uneasy about finding myself caught between my country and the rest of the world." (Orhan Pamuk)<BR/><BR/>see: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/051219ta_talk_pamuk<BR/><BR/><BR/>Regards, RedwineAgneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14427327588753930703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1144696178611520772006-04-10T14:09:00.000-05:002006-04-10T14:09:00.000-05:00when will there be a day in the world with no wars...when will there be a day in the world with no wars?Waddie G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01005290279854417619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11704331.post-1144657862865014032006-04-10T03:31:00.000-05:002006-04-10T03:31:00.000-05:00My big sis's husband is half Turk/ half German (an...My big sis's husband is half Turk/ half German (and he Christian). They have visited Turkey 3 times (hence my burning desire to physically see the Hagia Sophia) and they are always amazed that the Turks can be so openminded about embracing so many Western ideas and customs yet so closeminded to other ideas and customs. I think he would be appalled to know that Turkey is going this route against the Kurds. I'll be sure to pass this info to him.<BR/><BR/>The Kurds see the writing on the wall for them in Iraq. They are being vocal about what they have deemed to be "ethnic cleansing" of the Sunnis by the Shiites. They fear that once the Shiites get rid of enough Sunnis the Kurds will be next in line to be placed in the crosshairs.<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah... I re-commented on your lovely post about me and BabyGirl :)Tinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08472987991553964064noreply@blogger.com